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steering box ajustment

brian wafer

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anybody ever adjust there steering box 1984k5. install a rebuilt one didn,t touch it yet but its not much tighter than the old one. always correcting,steering damper is new,and i replaced it twice thinking it might be the problem,tires are not big 245 75 r16. thinking i could tighten it up some ?
 
should be able to find it in a search. just talked about less than a month ago i think. i posted up the gm tech way to do it.
 
It won't remove slop, it just addes or removes pre-load on the sector shaft making it harder or easier to turn the wheel. If you have slop, fix that first before adjusting this. I've seen people break sector shafts trying to crank this "adjustment" down.
Check shackles, u-bolts, steering box bolts, frame crack around steering box, steering shaft play (grab upper and lower sections with a couple pairs of vice grip, wiggle, if ANY play here it translates to massive play in road feel, replace your shaft), ball joints, tie-rod ends, drag link.....many places...usally never the steering box itself.

Best bet is to have a buddy turn the wheel while you get under the truck and watch where the play is coming from.
 
It won't remove slop, it just addes or removes pre-load on the sector shaft making it harder or easier to turn the wheel. If you have slop, fix that first before adjusting this. I've seen people break sector shafts trying to crank this "adjustment" down.
Check shackles, u-bolts, steering box bolts, frame crack around steering box, steering shaft play (grab upper and lower sections with a couple pairs of vice grip, wiggle, if ANY play here it translates to massive play in road feel, replace your shaft), ball joints, tie-rod ends, drag link.....many places...usally never the steering box itself.

Best bet is to have a buddy turn the wheel while you get under the truck and watch where the play is coming from.

Far from reality, if the sector shaft adjustment is loose there will be slop in the steering. The same goes for the spool valve adjustment at the input shaft.
 
I humbally disagree Scott. I am personal friends with an Engineer at Delphi and know the people who build these boxes in Saginaw for a living.
It's a pre-load adjustment only and has 0 control over introducing or removing any "play" in the system. It only makes the sector shaft require more or less torque to turn. The 4 main bolts on the top might be loose, that would introduce play, but the adjustment, it will not.
BTW, they recommend that it be adjusted only on a tool specifically designed to do so.
I've seen broken sector shafts at their site that the military sent back to them because field personnel tried to "adjust" play out of the steering system and put too much pre-load on the sector shaft and after a few miles, the shaft breaks.

Regardless, most steering play is a result of other things, very rarely is it in the box itself.
 
I humbally disagree Scott. I am personal friends with an Engineer at Delphi and know the people who build these boxes in Saginaw for a living.
It's a pre-load adjustment only and has 0 control over introducing or removing any "play" in the system. It only makes the sector shaft require more or less torque to turn. The 4 main bolts on the top might be loose, that would introduce play, but the adjustment, it will not.
BTW, they recommend that it be adjusted only on a tool specifically designed to do so.
I've seen broken sector shafts at their site that the military sent back to them because field personnel tried to "adjust" play out of the steering system and put too much pre-load on the sector shaft and after a few miles, the shaft breaks.

Regardless, most steering play is a result of other things, very rarely is it in the box itself.

And i will be glad to likewise humbly disagree with you once more and explain how IT WILL add slop if not adjusted properly. Don't get me wrong, if the sector shaft is adjusted too tight IT WILL bind and break something. At any rate, the sector shaft adjustment moves the sector shaft closer or farther away from the rack nut. The sector shaft teeth are tapered top to bottom and if the sector shaft is loose then when you turn the steering wheel it takes more input (slop) to move the rack nut to make contact with the sector shaft before the wheels start to move.

If you don't believe me then loosen (adjustment screw counter clockwise) your adjustment and see what happens.
 
I think you're both right, though the spool valve adjustment being off would contribute to slop way before an incorrectly set sector shaft preload (being too loose/not enough tooth mesh, that is) would. That was the case with mine and it ended up actually damaging the internals. At any rate there are a handfull of other steering system components I would blame for adding slop long before the sector shaft preload as I imagine it would have to be severely loose to induce a noticeable amount of play.

Without a torque wrench (beam-type, not clicker) that can accurately measure around 10 to 14 in/lbs, I wouldn't even try to attempt the adjustment.
 
I have to agree as far as steering slop goes...it's thing #30 that I'd look at. In 9 years here i have yet to see someone post up that their steering slop was due to steering box pre-load being incorrect. I have seen a hundred or more guys find bad DLE's, TRE's, Loose steering box bolts, cracked frames, worn rag joints etc etc etc.

Rene
 
I'm not arguing the fact that there are many other steering components that can cause slop in the steering system BUT for 73k5blazer to say that "It's a pre-load adjustment only and has 0 control over introducing or removing any "play" in the system" is highly mistaken.

This friend of his that is "an Engineer at Delphi and know the people who build these boxes in Saginaw for a living" should see this post and set him straight.
 
well thats were i,m landed new spring bushing tie rods balljoints,2 diffrent steering dampers ,and i just installed a napa rebuilt steering box,frame is ok! its true i didn,t have someone wiggle steering ,too see if something is abnormal in the steering will try that! the old box had 350,000km(210,000miles),was sure it would tighten up,its better but not right.
 
I would let the truck sit on the ground, get under it, and have a buddy get in and crank that wheel back and forth, you should be able to spot where the slop is. Also, don't overlook the steering shaft itself, it is often overlooked, since it's on the input side of the system, any play here translates to very loose steering. Grab a couple pairs of vice grips and grab the upper and lower shaft sections, and wiggle in opposite directions, if you can move them at all, replace the shaft.




I'm not arguing the fact that there are many other steering components that can cause slop in the steering system BUT for 73k5blazer to say that "It's a pre-load adjustment only and has 0 control over introducing or removing any "play" in the system" is highly mistaken.

This friend of his that is "an Engineer at Delphi and know the people who build these boxes in Saginaw for a living" should see this post and set him straight.

I'm not trying to mislead anybody. I know how these boxes are assembled and I know my friends full position on this, as he's rendered it many times to me and others. There are alot of builders who think that nut on the top is something to play with to remove slop too, that doesn't make them right. I've watched my buddies reaction to a mag writeup years ago on how to rebuild these boxes where they said to just crank that thing down by some human feel and then back it off a touch. Just because some person the mag writer found who builds his boxes that way wrote it, doesn't make it right.

That shaft should be touching the rack nut as soon as you torque down the 4 main cap bolts, that's one of the reasons they want a metal gasket on it because the tolerance is tight and a regular gasket could tighten too much or too little and the teeth wouldn't be meshing properly and then you may have the scenario you describe. The adjustment just pushes harder down and if you go too much, since the teeth are already meshing, it'll push it off kilter because of the shaft teeth taper and thats where some trouble can be had.
You can't back it off enough to cause the teeth to become unmeshed and introduce slop (I think this is the main point of contention), if it's able to do that, then you have one massively worn shaft or rack, a point which I've only ever seen reached when something else in the box already broke or there are alot of hard miles on the box. I guess from that perspective, at that point, there may be chance to crank it down and remove some slop, but not recommended, if it's worn that much, it should be overhauled, as he did.

If one really wants to adjust it, heres how to do it right (taken from the 1978 GM Unit Overhaul Manual).

(Click on it for full size)
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SteeringGear.jpg
 
This may not add anything to the discussion, but I've had a few rebuilt boxes on mine and they all have too much slop right out of the box fromt he parts store.

I also tried adjusting the nut on top and just got into problems an put it back to where it was. Then I attempted to tighten the input shaft bearing behind the rag joint. It feels a little tighter, but I can't tell for sure.

Changing the rag joint for a ujoint did the most to tighten it up.
 

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