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talk to me about PTO winches...

I will be pulling th winch apart and going through it, aswell as mounting it in the next month or so.
 
I ran a 10K Ramsey PTO for many years and there are advantages and disadvantages to any set up. They are better suited to recovering others than they are for self recovery. I used a pillow block and 2 piece driveshaft, Chelsea PTO on the t-case with a Th-400. I could use the winch all day long and not have to worry about overheating the motor, I did have to be careful with the skinny pedal though as just a little over idle would snap a 3/8" cable.

When using the winch for self recovery you could either put the t-case in neutral and let the winch do all the work or put the t-case in gear and spin the tires faster than the winch would wind the line in and in my case digging massive ruts while pulling myself foward.

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I found an old IH truck and grabbed the PTO winch set up. Whole lot of stuff.
I wound up giving it away after several years.

Ya need to find some guy that has an old 8274 laying around the shop floor that needs some love and offer him $200
 
The 30k PTO winches are huge, I would hate to speculate on how much they weigh, but I very much doubt they would be practical for hanging on the front of a Blazer.

As already mentioned there are both advantages and disadvantages to any engine driven (PTO or hydraulic) style winch. The biggest disadvantage I have seen is the truck has to be running for them to work which isn't very good on the trail for self-recovery. I can't count the number of times I've seen a truck on it's side, drowned in water, stalled on a hill, etc... where they could use their electric winch to recover the vehicle.
 
My dads got a Ramsey PTO on his truck (465/205, 1974 frame) I believe it to be an 8K variant. As it's setup, transmission gear determines line speed and direction.

No idea how old the winch is, it's probably 30 years at least. Not once has it ever failed, although sometimes getting the lever on the winch "in gear" is difficult. Then again, in it's entire life with my dad, he's done NOTHING to it except maybe lube it once, and replace the cable.

The major disadvantage I see is that if the engine is dead, you aren't winching. Of course, running the driveshaft is more complex than wiring an electric, plus the PTO actuator cable you need, but that's fairly easy. Spooling line up and what not is a two person job, one controlling the transmission/clutch, one guiding the cable.

The PTO driveshaft simply passes through the front frame crossmember, on his '74 the factory hole lined up pretty well for the shaft, he just hogged it out a bit.
 
That is why I have an electric mounted in the rear under the bed. PTO in front for the hard and heavy work, warn 10K in the back for lighter duty stuff and backup if the motor fails, it also helps when loading stuff onto a trailer.

Figured I would cover all my bases.
 
BILTIT said:
That is why I have an electric mounted in the rear under the bed. PTO in front for the hard and heavy work, warn 10K in the back for lighter duty stuff and backup if the motor fails, it also helps when loading stuff onto a trailer.

Figured I would cover all my bases.
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that's good stuff right there! :)
 
biggest disadvantage of a pto, imo, is that you have to have the engine running for it to work. so, if you're in a really bad situation where the engine has stalled or you're at some extreme angle where the oil is sloshed away from the pump pickup, you're either SOL or risking engine damage. on the other hand, i've seen plenty of electrics burn up or get wet and short out. yeah, just stick one of each on there so you're always prepared.:thumb:
 
PTO's for sm465/winch drive

monsterbowtiev8 said:
i am trying to find a pto drive also can anyone help me out....its a 465 in a 79
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Check the Parker Chelsea website. Download the applications manual. You will find a model 340 and a model 352 PTO units to fit a SM465 for both left and right mounting. They are both reversible PTO units as will be required for PTO-winch drive off of the main transmission. On a 73 to 87 type 4x4 trucks you will find a hole in the front frame crossmember, drivers side. Enlarging this hole will allow the PTO shaft to run grom the PTO unit fowards to the front mounted winch. The oil filter on V8 engines will have to be fitted with a remote unit because the PTO shaft location. I have done this on a 1988 V30 with a 6.2/465. The winch I used is a Ramsey M600 Industrial. The PTO shaft is a 1 1/8" hex shafting. The U joints are from Neapco, also a downloadable manual. The winch mount/bumper had to be fabracted as no factory units are made now, as with the in cab shift linkage for the PTO. The winch drum will hold about 200 ft. of 1/2" cable. A roller flarhead was fitted, also from Ramsey. Winch line speed is controled by engine speed. At idle it is about 5 ft./min and at 2500 RPM is about 25 ft./min. Line load does not affect winch speed verry much.
 
Not to hijack,,,,just food for thought..

With regards to the truck needing to be running for a hydro winch to operate,,couldn't you rig a small engine ( like a 3.5 hp briggs) and a power steering pump together to run the winch if the engine in the truck can't run ?

seems like a workable solution if the pulley's were sized properly to drive the P/S pump at the correct rate of pressure and you had a few hydro hoses laying around..

Or even a 12 volt hydro pump....like they use on lift gates....

Just a thought....:dunno::dunno::dunno:......carry on.
 
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