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TBI egr chip

Strippertech

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My son and I put a motor Vortec from a 97 Chevy into his 88 GMC Jimmy. We put headers on it and deleted the egr with plans of getting the chip programmed. Every number I’ve found won’t call me back or is no longer in service. His jimmy runs like crap and I need to find someone that can help us. It’s not a daily so we can send it off and be down for a bit but he’s wanting to finish his build for the end of his senior year of high school. Can someone give us a recommendation or can do it for us?? I appreciate the input and information.
 
What intake did you use? It's always possible there are some issues besides tuning going on. Do you have a cable to read data out? It may be helpful for your own troubleshooting and the tuner will likely want to see some data before proceeding.
 
Correct Vortec plugs?

Agree with tuning, but also don't focus solely on that without making sure every mechanical aspect is correct.

TBI doesn't run differently with EGR disconnected (even if it triggers the CEL, which it may or may not).
 
What intake did you use? It's always possible there are some issues besides tuning going on. Do you have a cable to read data out? It may be helpful for your own troubleshooting and the tuner will likely want to see some data before proceeding
We used a brand new performance intake with a vortec to TBI adapter. We did have someone hookup to it and was throwing emissions codes. We’ve done everything we can without deleting the emissions from the ecm.
 
I also think it should run fine with an EGR code. My '89 TBI suburban will throw the EGR code on the highway sometimes. It does not run differently when the light comes on.
 
The TBI distributors are notorious for drivability symptoms. Aftermarket ignition control modules are always suspect as well. I found back in the day when these were in common use the cap and rotor were good for @ 1 year. Whole dist @ 3 years.
 
I also think it should run fine with an EGR code. My '89 TBI suburban will throw the EGR code on the highway sometimes. It does not run differently when the light comes on.
It just falls on its face. We’ve done new plugs distributor, cap rotor, it’s timed right, we’re out of ideas. And the only thing is that it has zero emissions on it and still has ecm thinking it does. I could be completely wrong but I’m at a loss as what else to do.
 
Correct Vortec plugs?

Agree with tuning, but also don't focus solely on that without making sure every mechanical aspect is correct.

TBI doesn't run differently with EGR disconnected (even if it triggers the CEL, which it may or may not).
I’ve tried three sets and different types with same result. If I unplug the vacuum hose off the map sensor it help some so we replaced it and nothing.
 
Add some more timing. Check your fuel pressure, if you can adjust the reg try to get it to 14-15psi. What does the spray cone on the injectors look like ?

My guess is the 97 Vortec cam is causing the issue. Is it stock or aftermarket ?
 
It just falls on its face. We’ve done new plugs distributor, cap rotor, it’s timed right, we’re out of ideas. And the only thing is that it has zero emissions on it and still has ecm thinking it does. I could be completely wrong but I’m at a loss as what else to do.

Depending on variant the L31 Vortec is making something like 45-100hp more than the TBI did. Headers are going to make the difference even greater.

Have you tried premium fuel? It's likely running lean and pulling timing via the knock sensor, among other things. The cure is more fuel (which may require a better fuel pump and will require reprogramming). Premium isn't the solution, but it may resist detonation enough that you could at least see a difference immediately.

I can't recall off the top of my head any emissions that TBI actually cares about. EGR and EVAP were the only two I can think of, and I would be surprised if lack of EVAP would impact operation anymore than EGR.

Unquestionable it needs a chip burned, but it's not lack of emissions that requires it. That thing needs different fueling and timing than TBI did.
 
Add some more timing. Check your fuel pressure, if you can adjust the reg try to get it to 14-15psi. What does the spray cone on the injectors look like ?

My guess is the 97 Vortec cam is causing the issue. Is it stock or aftermarket ?
Stock CAM. And the y I was completely rebuilt with new injectors
 
Depending on variant the L31 Vortec is making something like 45-100hp more than the TBI did. Headers are going to make the difference even greater.

Have you tried premium fuel? It's likely running lean and pulling timing via the knock sensor, among other things. The cure is more fuel (which may require a better fuel pump and will require reprogramming). Premium isn't the solution, but it may resist detonation enough that you could at least see a difference immediately.

I can't recall off the top of my head any emissions that TBI actually cares about. EGR and EVAP were the only two I can think of, and I would be surprised if lack of EVAP would impact operation anymore than EGR.

Unquestionable it needs a chip burned, but it's not lack of emissions that requires it. That thing needs different fueling and timing than TBI did.
I haven’t tried 91. So you think higher fuel pressure and pump could be my issue?
 
Well, tuning is the issue. Fueling is controlled by how long the injectors are commanded to be open, which is "hard coded" into the ECM for situations like cold engine, heavy engine load (hills, acceleration, etc). Whether the fuel pump is enough for the engines fuel demand is another story, but until tuning is done with the chip there is no way to know if the pump is capable of providing the amount of fuel necessary. More power=more fuel, the TBI pumps were marginal at best, but they would feed a stock 454 when operating properly (albeit with very little room to make more power) so they SHOULD feed even a moderately strong 350.

You can test fuel pressure via the free tool rental program at places like AutoZone (test at one of the joints along the frame rail). It *IS* common for these things to split the hose in the fuel tank (if it hasn't been replaced after the introduction of ethanol) which can lead to weird drivability issues. Fuel pressure test will eliminate that as a concern. I saw mine as an immediate bleed down of pressure to 0 as soon as the engine was turned off. But it also intermittently ran terrible under all conditions.

If it idles decent and isn't terrible driving on flat ground at moderate speeds (~35-50mph) out of overdrive, I'd be a bit surprised if there were any mechanical/parts issues.

You can try playing with the distributor (as long as you understand how to set TBI timing) to see if you can make things a bit better by adjusting the base timing, but you will run into knock before you can even hear it, and prolonged running like that is obviously not good. So even if you can make it better, it's not a solution. It's just another way to see if tuning would make the difference.

Regardless of whether the issue is singular or multiple, the thing needs a new chip burned. You just want to make sure it's running as good as it can when you have that done.
 
Well, tuning is the issue. Fueling is controlled by how long the injectors are commanded to be open, which is "hard coded" into the ECM for situations like cold engine, heavy engine load (hills, acceleration, etc). Whether the fuel pump is enough for the engines fuel demand is another story, but until tuning is done with the chip there is no way to know if the pump is capable of providing the amount of fuel necessary. More power=more fuel, the TBI pumps were marginal at best, but they would feed a stock 454 when operating properly (albeit with very little room to make more power) so they SHOULD feed even a moderately strong 350.

You can test fuel pressure via the free tool rental program at places like AutoZone (test at one of the joints along the frame rail). It *IS* common for these things to split the hose in the fuel tank (if it hasn't been replaced after the introduction of ethanol) which can lead to weird drivability issues. Fuel pressure test will eliminate that as a concern. I saw mine as an immediate bleed down of pressure to 0 as soon as the engine was turned off. But it also intermittently ran terrible under all conditions.

If it idles decent and isn't terrible driving on flat ground at moderate speeds (~35-50mph) out of overdrive, I'd be a bit surprised if there were any mechanical/parts issues.

You can try playing with the distributor (as long as you understand how to set TBI timing) to see if you can make things a bit better by adjusting the base timing, but you will run into knock before you can even hear it, and prolonged running like that is obviously not good. So even if you can make it better, it's not a solution. It's just another way to see if tuning would make the difference.

Regardless of whether the issue is singular or multiple, the thing needs a new chip burned. You just want to make sure it's running as good as it can when you have that done.
Man thanks for this info!!
 
a vortec engine is not set up to be the same as TBI unless you swapped over all the TBI stuff. using a TBI computer on a vortec engine is not a great idea if it has all the vortec sensors and injection. Maybe a TBI tuner can tune it, or you may need to swap to the vortec OBDII computer.
 
a vortec engine is not set up to be the same as TBI unless you swapped over all the TBI stuff. using a TBI computer on a vortec engine is not a great idea if it has all the vortec sensors and injection. Maybe a TBI tuner can tune it, or you may need to swap to the vortec OBDII computer.

I jave the ecm from the old pickup it came out of. No wiring tho.
 
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