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Tesla Cybertruck pickup truck

runamok151 said:
Oh, and lets not forget about having an accident in a battery powered car.
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There is that, but there is also probably nearly zero requirement for a spill response. From what I see of accidents anymore, any of the fluids that leak out of a vehicle have to be contained and cleaned up, shouldn't be much of that with a Tesla.

Just push it to the side of the road and let it burn for a few days. :rotfl:
 
I suppose auto insurance for a Tesla might then cost not only the usual amount for a new auto worth a LOT of money (what does one cost, 70+ grand ?)..plus a 1000 dollar "fire & Theft"added cost if you want that covered too ?..

I saw a Prius battery being dismantled at a local scrap yard for the first time not that long ago...looked like hundreds of those round batteries like nickels stacked up and soldered together...guy doing the job said they put out 3000 volts,I don't know if he was just jerking my chain or not..he had to be "qualified" to even touch the battery,said he had to go to special classes to learn about them,and how to safely dismantle and repair one...
He also said USED batteries sell for about $2500-+!..
I thought $150 for one for my truck was a ripoff..:eek:
 
runamok151 said:
Oh, and lets not forget about having an accident in a battery powered car. You can't put out the fire. A) Firefighters can't spray water on it because they can be electrocuted (same problem they have w/ buildings w/ solar panels on the roofs). And 2) even if they can temporarily stop the fire, batteries keep cooking off and restarting it. The electric supercar that Richard Hammond crashed on the last season of Top Gear burned for 2 weeks.
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lots of good procedural details here on how to deal with accidents.
https://www.tesla.com/firstresponders

While the unknown comes with some risks, the 40 gal of fuel in my suburban is quite the hazard when in the wrong collision also.
 
Insurance is interesting. They are expensive to fix, but the probability of bodily injury is so low that the 2 tend to cancel each other out. Very close to the same cost to insure as comparable vehicles. Plus or minus a little depending on your insurance company. Mine ended up being $100 a year less.
 
Blue85 said:
Is that true? I can believe that towing a trailer up the grade uses 7.25x as the vehicle does not towing on the level. That's like saying it gets 36MPG cruising down the highway and 5MPG hauling a trailer up a grade. It just seems like physics dictates the same energy against gravity and wind drag whether it's coming from a fuel tank or a battery.

We don't see a ratio that big with a standard pickup truck because it's less efficient cruising on it's own than the little SUV-thing is. Tesla is advertising long range numbers because of low drag, etc. When it comes down to raw work, it's a matter of energy. With a gallon of gas containing about 33.7kWh, an EV being 85% efficient, and a gas engine 25% efficient, an 85kWh battery is like carrying 8.5 gallons of gas. So no wonder they have trouble getting between charging stations while towing. (Somebody probably has more accurate numbers, but you can see my point.)

The big Cybertruck battery is supposed be 200kWh, which makes it equivalent of a 20 gallon gas tank, so probably half the range of a regular tow rig.
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I had the same assumption that gas vehicles are less efficient than electric so when empty they are not much better than loaded, and with electric cars they take advantage of the big efficiency as you stated and only carry the equivalent of 8.5 gallons of fuel.
I can not drive a vehicle that will change this much based on what you are doing with it.
When I was driving the big rig, I had an expectation of range that would not vary more than 10-15% based on my weight. With pickup trucks I have been in a situation where my fuel mileage was cut in half and I freaked out.
Can you imagine 7.25×?:yikes:
 
ok so a damaged HV battery has to be shipped in a special containers and is very expensive. Once the fire dept puts out a gas fire it normally stays out, li-ion batteries can and do reignite for days after. A wrecked Electric car is not only a danger to put water on, but I'm not sure I'd want to touch it before it was grounded properly and I had my High voltage gloves on.

I have been working with electric vehicles for a long time. Before the EV1 even, we were the warranty repair for EV1 in Los Angeles. Our fleet had 20 EV1 in service. We have had a 100 or so 1st gen Elec Rav4 descent unit, 80 Chevy elec S10's not so good. way back there were some G vans and Dodge T van (caravan). Currently we have 160 Nissan Leafs 2011s, 2014s, 2017s. The 11's are being salvaged poor battery range and bo on board chargers @ $7500 to replace charger and battery for @70 mile optimal range. We had 25 2014 electric Rav4s only about 7 left only 5 in being used by non mechanics. The Rav4 has a Tesla traction motor, battery, computers system and converter. I figure this was Tesla's test base for front wheel drive motor. Our users loved them when they where new, now the are very noisy (gear drive type noise) @ 16k to replace if we could get the traction motor. I will say the Rav4 is one speedy fun to drive electric car it will do funny car burn outs and still go 100 miles on a charge.
We just put 120 2019 Bolts in service and 220 2018 Volts, the Bolts may be ok, to early to tell. The latest gen Volt I'll pass. Our 2014 Volts have had much fewer problems not really any. Our GM warranty dealer service writer we use said 2 of 3 car in for repair are newest gen Volts.
We have a dozen Hybrid Fusions they have trouble free 2014 2017 and 2019. Still 40 or so of 60 2007 Prius in service water pumps and instrument panels biggest issue. 2009AWD Hybrid Escape 4 of 60 left, tons of issues. but users liked them for rough terrain hardly ever got stuck. Over the years we have had bunch of odds and ends we had 60
RHD Nissan Altra, they were used a mobile security booths with diesel heaters lol. Mitsubishi MIEV can't get parts for these, don't buy one.

One thing I found rodents love electric and hybrid vehicles, the batteries are keep at certain temp, and there lots of nice cubby holes and selves to build nest in. so far not to much carnage 1 MIEV total loss and 1 Volt 7k for new loom installed. The other were minor systems easily repaired by us in house.
The Base line Tesla 3 is 39k before intensives, 250 mile range. The Bolt is 36kish and 220 mile range, hands down Tesla 3 is better bargain, more features, even better if you can con the sale person outta charging for a year or more.
Time will tell. Kommiefornia effective immediately state government will no longer buy internal combustion engines in sedans, public safety excepted, I expect the City of Los Angeles to follow suit. LA may be the first utility to have hydrogen generation. I was curious how the hydrogen was to be manufactured. Well the solar and wind generation will be used to crack water, then stored as hydrogen for use later. A potential solution for unused green power. No messy battery storage required.
 
Just to be clear, I have been following the technology of renewables since early 80's and I love to get into it anyway I can but only if it's same or better than what I have.
The technology is there but too much politics and business getting in the way.
We can have a great product if someone is willing to not compromise.
And if the states and the federal government get out of the way, pushing and favoring.
 
Wes Harden said:
ok so a damaged HV battery has to be shipped in a special containers and is very expensive. Once the fire dept puts out a gas fire it normally stays out, li-ion batteries can and do reignite for days after. A wrecked Electric car is not only a danger to put water on, but I'm not sure I'd want to touch it before it was grounded properly and I had my High voltage gloves on.

I have been working with electric vehicles for a long time. Before the EV1 even, we were the warranty repair for EV1 in Los Angeles. Our fleet had 20 EV1 in service. We have had a 100 or so 1st gen Elec Rav4 descent unit, 80 Chevy elec S10's not so good. way back there were some G vans and Dodge T van (caravan). Currently we have 160 Nissan Leafs 2011s, 2014s, 2017s. The 11's are being salvaged poor battery range and bo on board chargers @ $7500 to replace charger and battery for @70 mile optimal range. We had 25 2014 electric Rav4s only about 7 left only 5 in being used by non mechanics. The Rav4 has a Tesla traction motor, battery, computers system and converter. I figure this was Tesla's test base for front wheel drive motor. Our users loved them when they where new, now the are very noisy (gear drive type noise) @ 16k to replace if we could get the traction motor. I will say the Rav4 is one speedy fun to drive electric car it will do funny car burn outs and still go 100 miles on a charge.
We just put 120 2019 Bolts in service and 220 2018 Volts, the Bolts may be ok, to early to tell. The latest gen Volt I'll pass. Our 2014 Volts have had much fewer problems not really any. Our GM warranty dealer service writer we use said 2 of 3 car in for repair are newest gen Volts.
We have a dozen Hybrid Fusions they have trouble free 2014 2017 and 2019. Still 40 or so of 60 2007 Prius in service water pumps and instrument panels biggest issue. 2009AWD Hybrid Escape 4 of 60 left, tons of issues. but users liked them for rough terrain hardly ever got stuck. Over the years we have had bunch of odds and ends we had 60
RHD Nissan Altra, they were used a mobile security booths with diesel heaters lol. Mitsubishi MIEV can't get parts for these, don't buy one.

One thing I found rodents love electric and hybrid vehicles, the batteries are keep at certain temp, and there lots of nice cubby holes and selves to build nest in. so far not to much carnage 1 MIEV total loss and 1 Volt 7k for new loom installed. The other were minor systems easily repaired by us in house.
The Base line Tesla 3 is 39k before intensives, 250 mile range. The Bolt is 36kish and 220 mile range, hands down Tesla 3 is better bargain, more features, even better if you can con the sale person outta charging for a year or more.
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Really cool to hear real world maintenance experience. Excited with how much better the products are today than in previous years. Time will tell how they hold up.
 
I feel like this thread should be moved to vendors. Anyone who would believe anything from someone or a company that says $h!+ like this.
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Just sayin
 
I love it.

Elon trolled the shit out of the entire world and then tons of people signed up to order one.

I look forward to Bill Gates safe Nuclear energy program and hope it ends up powering the future world. (At this point we won’t need to hear all the comments about diesel generators and coal plants charging electric cars etc).
 
Electric tow rigs should cause some changes in campgrounds. At 0.15/kWh, bringing your 200kWh battery from empty to full is like $30. Maybe at a $60 KOA they won't care, but smaller places charging $35/night will need to have certain sites with meters, charge extra for electric truck or just try to prevent it from happening.
 
Blue85 said:
Electric tow rigs should cause some changes in campgrounds. At 0.15/kWh, bringing your 200kWh battery from empty to full is like $30. Maybe at a $60 KOA they won't care, but smaller places charging $35/night will need to have certain sites with meters, charge extra for electric truck or just try to prevent it from happening.
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Interesting idea for sure. 14-50r outlets at campgrounds are good backup charge locations for the cars too
 
dhcomp said:
Interesting idea for sure. 14-50r outlets at campgrounds are good backup charge locations for the cars too
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CGP Grey released a vlog film about this a few months ago. He drove a Model X from San Jose to Moab and back, through some pretty desolate sections of Nevada. Stopping at campgrounds to keep the battery charged. It wasn't a particularly fast way to travel, given the charging infrastructure. But it proved that a patient driver can take these cars far away from the charging infrastructure without getting stranded.

 
campfire said:
CGP Grey released a vlog film about this a few months ago. He drove a Model X from San Jose to Moab and back, through some pretty desolate sections of Nevada. Stopping at campgrounds to keep the battery charged. It wasn't a particularly fast way to travel, given the charging infrastructure. But it proved that a patient driver can take these cars far away from the charging infrastructure without getting stranded.

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neat! Haven’t looked at the Nv coverage map, but it’s getting a lot denser. And adding more!
 
dhcomp said:
Interesting idea for sure. 14-50r outlets at campgrounds are good backup charge locations for the cars too
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Good point. People towing a small car behind the RV may start preferring electric. Same for tent camping in a small car.

50A RV service is actually 2x50A. In some cases it's actually 50A 220V, so 11kW, but if you had both phases in parallel, that would be a different charger interface.

For rustic camping you might just have a 15A plug or nothing at all, but if you have a "30A" site, that's typically a 30A RV plug (3.3kW), plus a household type 20A plug (2.2kW). So you could get a complete charge on the car in 24 hours and still power your other stuff.
 
It would just be nice if all these charging stations weren't being built on the taxpayers' dime. The Gov. doesn't subsidize someone when they want to open a gas station. It's just the opposite. They pay all kinds of fees to the gov. be allowed to build the damn thing.
 
In a way they do subsidize gas stations--existing ones purchased by immigrants get many tax breaks that an American citizen is ineligible for..but yeah,if anyone wants to build a new one,there are a multitude of hoops to jump through before they'll even consider a proposed location..
 
Blue85 said:
For rustic camping you might just have a 15A plug or nothing at all, but if you have a "30A" site, that's typically a 30A RV plug (3.3kW), plus a household type 20A plug (2.2kW). So you could get a complete charge on the car in 24 hours and still power your other stuff.
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rustic camping and electricity should not be in the same sentence.
 
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