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The Story Of A Cummins Suburban (Lots Of Pics)

That bump had me all excited, talk about a bummer! Hopefully Some story time to follow
 
Better than reading the sunday paper! thanks always enjoy the adventures.

Cool, glad you enjoy it!!

Looks like a fun day anyway!

It was. It's funny, a while back my boy and I were heading out somewhere and there was possible weather or something and he was a bit apprehensive about it and I asked him if we've ever gone out and NOT had fun of some sort?? He answered no and off we went. One trip might not be as fun as the last one or the next one, but a good time is usually had.

i need to start doing more exploring like you guys do. there is a ton of mining history in southern NV as well, i should do some research.

Yes, you should. Then report back on the good stuff so we can head up there and partake in the trails of NV too!!

Post a map with the drawn out trail?

Martin

Meh, it'd be a pretty short line on a map. I'll have to see if I can find the map that I figured this stuff out from.

Bump, bump, bump....any new trip reports? :popcorn:

Nope, been real busy around here keeping my expanded fleet of trucks on the road. The Suburban sits in my driveway rearendless at the moment. Hope to get that rectified this weekend. I do have trips to post, hell, I have a whole summer road trip that I could post, just need some of that "free" time to do it.....

Yeah, I am needing to live vicariously.

At this point, I'd enjoy reading a trip report from this guy, lol.

I'm in as well.

Martin

I'll see what I can do here. No promises man.
 
Yea it's like waiting for the new addition of your favorite magazine or CALENDAR to come :popcorn: It just can't get here fast enough.


And 1000

Sorry a little personal celebration and it's my favorite thread.

It's like a party in my own thread!! Congrats!! Took me a long time to hit that mark myself.

That bump had me all excited, talk about a bummer! Hopefully Some story time to follow

LOL I guess my reply will just further your bummedness. I have stories, boy do I have stories. Some are even related to this thread!! I did do a couple really cool mods to the truck recently. I don't recall if I took pics or not. I'll check.

Sorry to instigate such a disappointment. I was (and am) hoping that we will yet be rewarded.

You will, you will. Take a roadtrip down here and help me get caught up on all of my doings and it will happen sooner rather than later. If we get it all done I'll even take you out on a trail somewhere. Yeah, I'd do that even if all of it didn't get done, but it's motivation, yeah, that's it, motivation. I need more motivation.....
 
Nope, been real busy around here keeping my expanded fleet of trucks on the road. The Suburban sits in my driveway rearendless at the moment. Hope to get that rectified this weekend. I do have trips to post, hell, I have a whole summer road trip that I could post, just need some of that "free" time to do it.....

Oh no what happened to the rear end this time? Didn't you have to put a new one in a couple years ago or did you have to straighten the tubes? You've done so much great work on it and I tend to get the work mixed up. I've probably read the entire thread a couple times but still am amazed at what you've built. All the things that you've done have given me some great ideas for when I do my Cummins swap hopefully next year. Your work is amazing and I can only hope mine will turn out half as well as yours has. Keep up the good work and keep us posted when you get the time.
 
Nope, been real busy around here keeping my expanded fleet of trucks on the road. The Suburban sits in my driveway rearendless at the moment. Hope to get that rectified this weekend. I do have trips to post, hell, I have a whole summer road trip that I could post, just need some of that "free" time to do it.....

Did you get your rectal issues rectified yet? :popcorn:



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So I'll probably get beaten by others that are hoping for more storytime. But I'll bump this thread anyways, any updates as of late?
 
Oh no what happened to the rear end this time? Didn't you have to put a new one in a couple years ago or did you have to straighten the tubes? You've done so much great work on it and I tend to get the work mixed up. I've probably read the entire thread a couple times but still am amazed at what you've built. All the things that you've done have given me some great ideas for when I do my Cummins swap hopefully next year. Your work is amazing and I can only hope mine will turn out half as well as yours has. Keep up the good work and keep us posted when you get the time.

Thanks!! The rear diff bent itself again. No idea how or when it happened, but in talking with another shop, once a housing is bent, it is almost guaranteed to bend again. The second shop would have straightened the old housing, but it was actually cheaper to have them straighten and truss another van housing I had here. I went that route instead. Looks the same as the other one, just straighter.

So I'll probably get beaten by others that are hoping for more storytime. But I'll bump this thread anyways, any updates as of late?

Yeah, I guess. After the diff job I got my buddy's 70 Suburban over here for a cam change. the cam change turned into more, which turned into more and even more. Anyway, I got that off to the trans shop for some fine tuning of the shift points and snuck away with the family for a day trip up north. On our way home I had a strange noise under the hood. Opened it up and found some coolant under the water pump. Ugh, just did a water pump not too long ago. Oh well. Got home with no issues. Got the 70 back to finish up some other stuff and finally got to work on my Suburban. Pulled the radiator, fan and shroud. Cleaned everything out. I remade my lower radiator mounts and modified a couple other items while I was in there. While I had the cooling system torn down I decided it was time to do some maintenance as the truck has 70K on all of the components. I changed the upper hoses, some of the heater hoses that were original to the conversion, the belt got changed as well. Everything went back together nicely and my boy and I took it for a test drive. All went well on the test drive, but upon pulling it into the driveway I noticed engine oil drops following our path up the driveway. I had noticed engine oil under the truck when I was cleaning the coolant off the frame and whatnot. I could not find the source as I had washed the motor prior to doing the cooling system. Well, I found it. A nice hole in the gear case very well hidden by the fan hub. Yep, the dreaded killer dowel pin bit me.

I had not done anything with the KDP for two reasons. One was that in my early reading, information stated it was a problem on '94-'05 engines. Mine isn't one of those. The other (and the one that unfortunately held the most weight )was a guy at the local Cummins dealer who came highly recommended had given me a wrong timing cover gasket and he claimed that all of those motors used that gasket. He ran my engine serial number and said that the engine had an upfit done on it and the gear case had been changed. That meant that it had the updated gear housing with the shouldered hole and the KDP could not fall out. Done and done. Well, that whole story was bullshit. The gear case is stock and the story he fed me was to cover his ass for giving me a gasket for a P pump instead of a VE pump motor. Unfortunately at that time (13+ years ago), I didn't know about the KDP and just changed the gasket and crank seal without addressing the KDP. Now I know. Boy, do I ever know now. Ugh. That brought the suck.

Yes, yes, you probably will...

Storytime? :popcorn:

I have thousands of miles of pics from a trip last summer, but no time to deal with them lately. I would really like to post them up as we saw some really cool stuff on that trip.
 
Dammit, I hate hearing that.
So did it just break the housing then?
 
That's crappy but lucky all at the same time! 70K on it very nice man, it's already outlived what a lot of swaps probably ever will hit!
 
Ok, so times have been a bit hectic around here lately. More accurately, lately would be the last six or seven months. It started with my wife's truck needing paint. That simple. Anyone who has priced paint recently knows a decent paint job costs a ton of money. I found that it was less expensive to buy a vehicle with good paint rather than pay for paint on the existing vehicle. That went well. Found a sweet little truck with a straight body and good paint. After a good detail we were in business. Then everything(!!) else on the truck decided to give me grief. Finally got everything working well and she is happy with it. In the meantime, my daily decides oil to the top end of the motor is no longer needed. I tried a few things and determined nothing easy was going to fix it, so it sits waiting for a motor (which is in the garage patiently waiting to be put in the game). Ironically, my wife's old truck with the bad paint is still putting in work daily serving as my daily while I deal with everything else and my truck sits waiting. In amongst here my buddy Lance's 70 Suburban came in for a cam change. It ran good but had way too much cam in it for what it was in. The cam change turned into much more and its mail was forwarded to my place for about three months. Along the way, it went to the trans shop to get its shift points fine tuned and I snuck out with the family for a day on the trail. On the way home my truck decided to spit the dowel pin out and blow it through the timing gear case. Google "killer dowel pin" for an explanation of what happened. After I took care of that, I noticed I had coolant seeping out of a couple head bolts on the Cummins. That is something typically associated with a high mile head gasket. Mine is only a few years old. The general consensus was to retorque the head bolts and it should last for a while. The words "should" and "awhile" used in the same sentence really doesn't work well with how we use this thing so off with the head again. Everything looked fine except the wet head bolts, and went back together with a new Cummins gasket and all new head bolts. In the mean time, Lance took his Suburban on his typical test drive down the Baja Peninsula in old Mexico chasing a race truck in the NORRA 1000. He got about seventy miles south of Ensenada and it snapped a rocker stud. With no easy fix available, he brought the truck home and he jumped in his wife's brand new car and turned around and went right back to Mexico. I finally got my Suburban back into the running column and now his hooptie sits here awaiting repairs. Ugh.
So that is the quick explanation of why there have been no updates lately--seriously. That list was only the high points with very little detail of the rest of the crap. Anyway, I have a bunch of stuff to post and figure if I don't get after it, it will never happen. I actually loaded these pics a couple months ago and haven't had a chance to post them up. So, without further adieu, here we go!! This post will make more sense if you do a quick review of the last picture post I did where we traveled on an old section of rail bed. I didn't realize this trip would relate to things on that trip, but was pleasantly surprised when I found the relationship between them.
The destination for the day was a place called Sheep's Crossing. It was a bridge used by sheep herders to get their flocks safely across the Verde River back in the day.
The ride started out through some scenic, higher altitude desert.
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A nice view of what we are dropping into:
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First view of the bridge:
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The bridge:
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Now comes something I didn't know. This bridge is an imposter. The original was replaced by this structure long AFTER the sheep herders quit using the original bridge. I still have no idea why we spent the money to build this if it is not used for herding sheep across the river. It is not wide enough for a vehicle to cross, only pedestrians or bicycles. Once I learn this, I am no longer interested in the new span. Any intuitive followers of the adventures around here will know I am now interested in what is left of the original structure. Good thing for me and the content of this thread, there are some remnants to be found.
Here you can see an abutment for the original bridge:
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This is an original abutment from the far side of the bridge:
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Remnants of the cabling from the original bridge behind the far abutment:
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Interesting albeit somewhat sketchy anchoring of the cabling...
Anyone who know about cable will recognize this is not normal cable used to support bridge spans:
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The people who built the original span were not wealthy individuals. They were ranchers who could not afford to lose sheep to the river while running them from winter grazing grounds in the south to the summer grazing grounds in the north country. That being the case, they had to use what they had available to keep costs reasonable. One of the most expensive things they would need is the cabling. The resourcefulness of the ranchers came through in the use of used tram cable for the bridge support. Yep, the tram cable from the Blue Belle Mine found its way across a couple ranges, down a big hill and across a couple abutments to support the bridge for their sheep to safely cross the river. That is why the cable is smooth on the outside. It is designed to have a heavy tram car run on it. So very cool to go see something that I thought was an original bridge, only to find it is a recent copy/interpretation of the original, but then find so many remnants of the original bridge lurking in the shadows of the new span. Cool stuff.
On our way out, we found this saguaro that decided it had enough and was leaving too:
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Thats such a cool picture of that cactus. Looks almost human with extended arms reaching up to climb the rocks. Thats just bad ass
 
Any idea when the original went down?

Martin

In the late 70's the sheep herders stopped running sheep across the bridge and in the late 80's the original span was torn down. In 1989 the new span was built.

Yay for more pictures!

How did you figure out where the cable came from? Local historical society? Online reading? Something else? :popcorn:

I don't recall for sure as I tend to come up with a bunch of questions when I get a "surprise" like this. Oftentimes I will do a bunch of research prior to travel and have a good idea of what we are going to find when we get there, but this trip was just a "hey, let's get the hell out of town for an afternoon" type run, so I had no idea what we were going to see. There was a couple interpretive plaques there and I did a ton of reading afterwards, so the info may have been gleaned from either source.

Thats such a cool picture of that cactus. Looks almost human with extended arms reaching up to climb the rocks. Thats just bad ass

Yeah, and the funny thing is, that is the last thing I noticed on the way back to the truck. How fitting, it's trying to leave and so were we. LOL
 
I went back to page 30 and started reading this thread all over again!

I'm up to page 38....good stuff.
 

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