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Time for a software update I guess.

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Been fighting this idle issue in this Avalanche for awhile now.

Does a random type of stumble, and even the normal idle just seems to have a shake I used to call "the Chevy shake" those were the old engine designs though, have they not figured out how to get them running smoothly? Or is there some seriously wrong with this thing?

Recent problems started getting worse, and even more so after I cleaned the MAF sensor the other day. While under throttle, usually, if you tried to roll up the windows, the engine would hard stumble, like turning the key on and off real fast. After attempting a cleaning of the MAF, it started getting worse to where the engine would just flat out die when you put it in park and the auto door locks would unlock the doors. Or if you hit the window switches, just immediately kill the engine.

It always brought up a CEL for the MAF low voltage reading or flow. So I just changed it earlier. Now it seems to be a bit sluggish under throttle, the surging while under throttle with windows working isn't present any longer though. Hasn't thrown any codes as of yet.

Engine still randomly stumbles while idling, last time I heard it is when the electric fans turned OFF, engine started stumbling like it had a hot cam in it, at the same time I could hear something working trying to counteract this, maybe the electronic throttle body, unsure.

Fairly new battery, brand new alternator 2 months ago, just checked all cable connections before installing the MAF, ran it around the block without the K&N filter element to see if that was restricting air flow.

Something is not happy, it seems to surge a slight bit while under hard throttle at times, again, random. Some times it'll be sluggish getting going, but once going it pulls decent, others it's half way sluggish and has a slight power surge as it's pulling, similar to what a plugged fuel filter would cause or a pump losing power.

I just checked the fuel pressure a couple of months back and it was up at the 60 psi mark if I remember, I know it was up pretty high. I suppose I could check it again. This fuel system does have over 145k miles on it. Heck maybe it's about due for a fuel pump assembly...

Any ideas?

I was quoted $125 for the software update, he mentioned the surging idle problems that it's supposed to help cure, then again he could have just been saying that to get me to do it. Anyone have any first hand experience with this software update on the newer trucks?

Quoted $89 just to put it on the diagnostic computer..
 
Now I'm getting codes p0101 and p0172.

Looked them up, still not giving definitive answers, I know it's sensing a rich running condition and the MAF isn't getting a correct reading. I am seeing a few things about a possible MAP sensor possibly being bad, wondering if that's what I hear clattering under the intake cover when the engine is stumbling.
 
Actually sounds like you need to find the loose ground or power connection to the computer..........
Unless the engine is running so bad that the slight load on the alternator from the windows is stalling it, it sounds like you have a bad connection somewhere, and the computer is getting its ground reference from the body harness.

Check where the computer plugs in, and any and all body grounds.
Some GM products had a big "master" ground bolt behind the driver side kick panel that was bad about getting wet and corroding.
 
I thought that too and checked wire connections.

As previously stated though, changing of the mass air flow sensor has cured the stalling, stuttering issue when windows or door locks are activated . Not sure why other than as I was informed it probably wasn't getting a correct reading and any load on the system was freaking out its circuitry.
 
MAP is a good possibility. Also check for a vacuum leak at the intake (suspect bank 2)
You using a code reader or a data scan tool?


PS-Clean the TB if you haven't all ready
 
I was just using a scan tool code reader at the moment to read the codes, I have this other unit that plugs into a laptop and gives me readings of other stuff, I just don't know right off what they are normally supposed to be reading.

I had already planned on trying to clean the throttle body sometime today.
 
Actually sounds like you need to find the loose ground or power connection to the computer..........
Unless the engine is running so bad that the slight load on the alternator from the windows is stalling it, it sounds like you have a bad connection somewhere, and the computer is getting its ground reference from the body harness.

Check where the computer plugs in, and any and all body grounds.
Some GM products had a big "master" ground bolt behind the driver side kick panel that was bad about getting wet and corroding.

A friend with a 90's caddilac had similar issues,if you went to use the power windows or sometimes when the A/C compressor kicked on,the engine would stutter and shake,and it always had a slight "bog" or delay upon acceleration..

He found the ground buss bar under the kick panel was all green and corroded,and he had to snip the wires a few inches back and install new solderless connectors on them,and clean the ground buss bar--it didn't completely solve the issue,it was pretty rusty in that area,so he ran another ground wire off the original one right to the battery's negative terminal..that seemed to fix it for good..(car never did right 100% "right" from day one,but at least it wouldn't die in traffic any more!)..
 
Eh well. It's going to the shop. I'll just take some lube with me. Getting too old for this newer crap apparently.

Just removed throttle body, cleaned it real well, intake tube, I just don't have the knowledge or patience any longer to figure out why all the readings jump around and how much they are or aren't supposed to.
 
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Sorry no help with the MAP sensor readings but....

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Just checked MAP sensor, seems to be working correctly according to various videos on how to's...

I'll be checking the fuel pressure this weekend and pulling to replace the spark plugs as well. Wires are under warranty even though they shouldn't be bad with only being on the engine for 3 years, 40k miles.

I was noticing the voltage on the short term fuel trim was hanging out a bit in the negative for awhile, according to a few vids I watched that was a sign of the engine adding more fuel, causing the rich condition.

Gonna run it for a bit and see what codes come up now.
 
Well, I don't know if it just took awhile for the computer to relearn sensors, or a combo of cleaning the throttle body and map sensor, but it seems to be running better. Hasn't acted up just yet. Even the idle seems to be smoother and right at about 550rpms.

Obviously still keeping an eye on it, gonna see what it does with the ac running soon.

Still has a bit of the typical ignition sounding sputters or whatever, sounds like spark plugs need cleaning and regapping, planning on that in a few days since they haven't been looked at since they were installed back when the engine was rebuilt almost 3 years and 40k miles ago.

We'll see.
 
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