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timing chain recommendation?

wazzabie

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I'm replacing the timing chain cover gasket and wonder if I should also replace the timing chain and gears while I have this open.

Cloyes makes two types of timing chain sets for the 78 350 V8.
C-3023K - Heavy duty timing set double chain
C-3001K - Heavy duty timing set single chain

If you have installed a timing chain before which option do you recommend?
 
Cloyes makes/offers good stuff - noth’n wrong with their single chain but while you’re in there a double roller setup is well worth it and has no drawbacks.
 
any silent chain = 5k or under its done streching .

so pick a good roller chain and enjoy .

@4X4HIGH told me years ago in his shop building days of motors cloyes was #1 on his list . and he built some crazy motors for some members here .
 
my rule of thumb is 100k for a stock chain. A good quality double roller should go at least that long maybe more.
 
any silent chain = 5k or under its done streching .

so pick a good roller chain and enjoy .

@4X4HIGH told me years ago in his shop building days of motors cloyes was #1 on his list . and he built some crazy motors for some members here .
The Cloyes C-3001K - Heavy duty timing set single chain is a silent chain. I was thinking about going with this chain.

What do you mean by roller chain?
 
Factory timing chain on the Suburban, ballpark 250k miles. Probably stretched a little. I’ve used Cloyes on Chevy and Pontiac engines and they work.
 
Mine ( jeggs or Summit Racing) was quiet as a mouse when new....it aged into a blower .... But zero stretch was the goal.
 
It says made in USA: https://www.cloyes.com/part-finder-...Timing Set&cat=High Performance&lookup=partno

I was just curious because on the GM high-feature V6, there have been a lot of stories of low mile Cloyes chains snapping, which sometimes costs an engine. Some were speculating they were making them in China or using Chinese steel. No worry, it's not related to this product that they've probably been making for decades.
 
My machinist, who was a very detail oriented machinist I trusted with my machining, told me he wouldn't use Cloyes because they stretch too much for him when he tears them down for a refresh for the season. He built a lot of race motors, some stock motors and everything in between. Unfortunately he passed away of cancer last year.

He usually used ProGear by Avon Gear. I specifically like the 4000 series, billet 9 keyway sprocket, torrington bearing, etc. They are made in IL, but they are hard to get. He said they would have barely any discernable stretch during the refresh. They can be a little more expensive, but not too bad.


I sell Howard's the most because it's a USA made billet steel 9 keyway sprocket and a USA made chain, also with a torrington bearing, for a good price. They also have them for a lot of different engines. I like the 9 keyway models because you can move the cam timing within 2 degree increments and it cannot move like an adjustable sprocket can if it comes loose. Howards also sells a model with a super tight tolerance chain, but they are considerably more and only available for a select few engines.

I can get these and stock some part numbers...


Also, I think for most stock engines, zero stretch doesn't really matter, you won't feel it unless its quite bad, and too tight of chain can actually cause more friction and loss of power.

Stock GM chains I have measured to have almost a degree of stretch when new! So there is a happy medium on the cost/performance, and I think both Howards and ProGear have their place.
 

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