good point, i see where your coming from....but compared to the cost of an aftermarket overdrive...i say this is a better way to go, b/c i still get to drive the wee out of my truck every day(5spd) im not saying im going to jump into this, but it's just a thought, and is on my to-do list. my built up th400 could probably be sold to recoupe some of the money, and i have an entire parts truck with a muncie in her that i could part some of the parts from, so i think i could do this relatively cheap. i dunno. you may be right though. thanks for the input ya'll!!!!