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Tulsa Winch

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I refurbished a Tulsa model 10 hydraulic winch a few years ago for another truck but never got around to installing it I was more worried about pulling the truck apart then anything else. I was going through my storage areas and came across a hydraullic under hood pump from one of our old dump trucks (I forgot about even having that thing)!

Just finished crunching the numbers on the pump (commercial intertech 326-9110-050 twin belt drive electric clutch) seems that it will do 5 gpm at 1000 rpm. That's pump rpm not engine rpm. 10 gpm at 2000 rpm at a max pressure of 3000 psi. The max rpm for the pump is 3000 rpm. Seem to me that it will have more then enough balls to do what I need to use it for. Think I need to call our mobile hydraulic vendor monday (Tried to call him at home, got a message that he was out wheeling) I guess I won't be moving forward on this today, but when I do get to a chance to speak with him, it might just be a good thing!

When I redid the winch I added a hydraulic motor, originally it came off of an old semi wrecker that we scrapped, but I saw the winch and said why not. The original set up was a direct drive from the transmission (I never have really thought those setups should be on a offroad application due to flexing of equipment, but that's just my opinion!), So I mounted an Eaton (charlynn) motor pn 103-1068-010 direct drive with a #40 drive chain 20 tooth spocted on the winch input and a 20 tooth spocket on the hydraulic motor.
I think I have the specs on the computer at work, if not I'll look for those tomorrow. I think the big thing I need to focus on now is the tank (how big?, where?) also the mounting hardware to install the pump on the motor. I have a few things I will look at here, but can't talk to anyone until tommorrow. (I hate weekends, I can't ask technical questions, I love weekends, I don't have to talk to customers and I can work on my own stuff)
Hopefully I will find something out and be able to update soon!?!

Will post pics in a moment with phone!
 
equipment pictures

I sent the pics to my home email then uploaded from here

The first one is the pic of the motor that I mounted on the winch to get rid of the direct drive from the pto mounted on the transfer case

The second and third are views of the winch pulled out of the garage for the first time in two years

The fourth is the size of what the winch will be used to pull. We just had a couple hundred trees this size removed by loggers. They took the straight stuff, and left the tops, mostly in the bottom of the ravines!

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Where in the world are you going to mount this thing? Unless its going in a medium duty rig, you'll end up tearing the frame apart trying to pull stuff.
 
why not

I figure that this winch will do everything I need like the smaller version (8k - 125k) plus I can crib the underside or get really innovative and build outriggers that would save the suspension (and everything else!). I also could (the more I get interested in this project) fabricate a bumper to include integrated tie off points to utilize the rig as a mobile (but temporary lashed) platform. Where as I would drive to the landing area (staging area where the tree top would be cut up on the top of the ridge line) extend the outriggers and chain to solid trees. Then extend the cable and double it to increase the pull 15 tons, I have a good 200 feet of 3/8 chain and another 150 feet of 3/8 cable (that would be doubled up for a max pull). If the top is more then 250 feet from the ridge then I'll just have to bring up small enough pieces (40 - 50 foot). Instead of entire tops of oak, hickory and beech trees. I would much rather split wood on the top of the ridge then in the bottom of the valley and have to carry it up!
 
Mounting the pump

I got hold of Steve our mobile hydraulic vendor. He faxed over all kinds of equipment from pumps to winches to valves. I don't think he knows yet that I have all of the main components, I just need to fine tune the mounting of the equipment and to verify the numbers that I have crunched out. I told a couple of the guys on the floor that have been down to the property and have gotten wood from me in the past what I am planning, most of them think it will be a big time and back saver, but that can't believe that I am going to mount it on the sub. Why not its a $25 truck. Steve is scheduled to come over to the shop Thursday to look at the truck and give me his opinion. I didn't tell him that this is a personal project, not a government project. If I remember I'll post up a pic of the truck that will be recieving the winch and all associated equipment. Damn I guess that I will have to extend the turning radius a few more feet!

Well folks what are your thoughts?

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Where in the world are you going to mount this thing? Unless its going in a medium duty rig, you'll end up tearing the frame apart trying to pull stuff.

I have to agree with Cabledawg. That thing is too huge and the Burb frame is probably going to be fatigued quickly. How much does the winch weigh?

Cabledawg...Minot, ND?:waytogo:
 
Good News

Got good news last week from the hydraulic vendor, he seems to agree with me that all of the equipment that I have purchased over the years will work in the application that I am planning on using it for. I found the exact brackets that I need to get hold of to replicate. I also found some outriggers that I can fabricate on a smaller scale (size wise) that way if I decide to drive home with the winch on I wont have to get an escort on the highway. Also got some rough dimensions of the winch so I can start getting measurements in my head so I can start playing with cardboard and make up some mockups. The more I think about it, I'm not really in a big hurry for this thing to be ready to work, I have more then enough wood up top of the ridges that I and my buddies can get for this winter. Secondly, everything that was cut down by the loggers in March, is still 'wet' or has not dried out enough to burn without making creasote in the chimmey and creating a fire hazard. That ain't fun having 5 foot of flames shooting out your chimmey and trying to put it out with a garden hose! Murphy looked the other way that day!:waytogo:

My next step is to locate a set of brackets so I can fabricate the mounts. I checked on prices for the kit from Deweze right around a cool grand, nothing in the kit is special with the exception of the crankshaft pulley. Everything else is just plate and pipe welded and drilled. Hell I do that everyday for everyone else, why not do it for me?

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New toys

Started looking at other post for the bumper, nothing really popped out at me. I realized that I don't need the wood that down out of reach right now, maybe I need to focus on other things first (It's not like I have a lot of free time anyway!)Then I came across Ryoken's thread, I loaded the first page, then skipped to the last page, man that is an awesome piece of work! So awesome that it motivated me to read the entire thread, I started at around 4 in the afternoon and finished that last post at around midnight. I'm still impressed by his dedication for his craft! It also started the gears in my head slowly turning.
So I started thinking, I know that I'm not going to drop major coin on a powerplant, mine is running great, but I utilize power more effeciently, like the fan. Hopefully I can gain 10% power saving from ditching the factory fan, and I have a large creek that floods every spring that keeps me out of the property because I don't want to tear up the fans again (I had to have 2 trucks towed home because I thought they were part submarine!) I called around today to different places for the complete fan system from a Windstar (I'm still dumbfounded that CK5 members openly use Ford products on a GM product!) I found a few but they wanted an arm and a leg for a working set, just about gave up and decided to make one more call. Well that one call netted me a fan set up (all works) and found a 14 bolt full floater rear. I took the fan setup and gave them a deposit on the rear end. See the truck that is donating the rear end is buried in the middle of, lack of a better verbage, junk! The yard will pick a vehicle clean, then drag it back to the back field, then every couple of months they have a shredder come in and empty the field. Jaws is suppose to be in there at the end of the month, so I'll pick up the rear end then.
I had another idea driving home, why should I have to drag everything into the back of the suburban every time I want a new part, why not make a rolling rack that can support the load at the time put it on the rack, roll it shut, then shut the doors, drive home, open the doors, roll the rack out and unload the part with the cherry picker or the loader! Might be really handy bringing home the 14 bolt not having to kill myself unloading the thing. Yea I could use the trailer but, this thing might come in pretty handy.
So I played with the fan for 20 minutes when I got home, actually pulled out the power probe 3 and played with that for a minute until the breaker on the pp3 popped, then I knew play time was over. Took dimensions of the radiator and the fan, then loaded in the backseat so I can clean it up tomorrow at lunch.
We'll see what I can fab up for this beast (this will be my 2nd 'gotta **** with' truck), if anybody got an idea speak up, it could only help, if not me but maybe someone in my shoes.
Thanks for swinging by!

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Update 9/15/10

Tinkered around with the fans Saturday, pulled the shroud out and put it in the 'just in case pile' in the fence line. I put the fan down behind the radiator and got to spend some quality time figuring it out. I don't think I'm going to do anything crazy, just mount it up easy, worst case if I gotta pull it to replace a motor I don't want to spend an hour trying to get the fans out. I found a couple of factory holes on each side of the radiator, nothing major, but with a few fender washers I think it will suite my needs just fine. The largest problem (not really a problem more like an issue that bothers me) is that the fan doesn't have full coverage of the face of the radiator. Think I'll just bolt in a shroud out of sheet metal, just bent in a very large U. The new shroud will bolt to the brackets that I will make just like the fan but they will not share the same bolts. Makes it alot easier to remove the fans only. I picked up a couple of different connectors that way I don't have to cut and splice wires when motor replacement time is upon me. When I was having quality time with my new truck, I noticed that there is a very small leak from the bottom of the radiator. I investigated further and found that there was no pad under the driver's side, same side as the leak. I picked up the radiator tonight, nothing special, autozone with a lifetime warranty, $150.00. Got home and put it on the 'to do rack' and then I thought adding an auxilary transmission cooler since I will be pulling a large amount of wood this winter. Called autozone back checked on specs (sizes of hoses, and dimensions of coolers) the largest one was not really what I would consider 'big' but the price was big $75.00. Think I'll call a couple different places before I buy the cooler. Figure I'll install all of the new gear the first weekend of the new month, I still have time to make a decision before then.

Checked in the grainger catalog for rollers for the platform, nothing really popped out at me, think I'll swing by palfleet on the way home tomorrow and see what they have/use in there.

Was surfing a local www and came across a dude selling a 400 and a 350 for $175.00, even though I don't need a new motor, might just be something I can 'play with' this winter in the garage. Still waiting on the dude to get me the block numbers to see what I am really getting.

Hopefully the weather will work out this weekend so we all can get the hell out of the city and get down to the cabin and blow off some steam. If I get lucky it'll rain before the weekend so we don't have to worry about flash fires. It's been really dry, and there's a 'burn restriction' in place. If johnny law sees you will an open flame they are to write you a $500.00 ticket. Hope it rains!
 
Modernization and update for front end mods

Since it didn't rain down south I decieded to do the small stuff to make the truck more comfortable to drive in the modern world. Added a stereo (local swap meet for $60.00), nothing special just enough that I can hear at 80 mph with the tires humming along. Got the speakers (ebay for $40.00)and the amp (local swap meet for $50.00) mounted up again nothing special, just enough that will last for me. Also added a 3 pack of cigarette lighters (radio shack $5.00), radar detector (christmas present from my wife a few years ago) that is hard wired to the upper rack, a pistol mount (holster from a surplus store for $20.00 and I fabricated the bracket). Went shopping for the front end work at the end of the month. I picked up the transmission cooler (pn 405-Hayden) and a power steering cooler (pn 403-Hayden) the total was just under 1 bill for both of the cooler. I also picked up the one way diode for the headlight mod. Wasn't sure which one to get so I errered on the side of caution and got the larger of the two. It was just under $2.00 for 2 3amp diode. Next I need to find a switch for the fan cutoff, get new coolant hoses top, bottom and heater core, pick up a transmission temp setup, finish making the brackets for the windstar fans, fabricate a bracket for the switch and the transmission temp, pickup the sensor for the electric fan, and I need to figure out where to install that bugger as well! Oh yeah ordered the radiator too! ****, forgot I still need to make the cowl for the fans too. Well two weeks left til I got another mess to clean up on the driveway. That reminds me I need to get another pressure washer as well:woot:

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found another pic from today of all the **** I have collected as spare parts on previous builds on truck of days gone by. I knew that stuff would come in handy one day!

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October Update

Well let's see what's new. I had to install a new radiator, about a week prior to schedule. Cruising to work one morning (of course Monday!) look in the mirror and notice a fog trailing from behind me. Got over on the shoulder (Of course no one wants to let you over when you need to get over, but no one is around when everything is fine). Found a fan blade in the radiator. Well least I don't have to go in to the shop, bad thing was I had to wait on a wrecker. Got home, got parts on the way here, pulled the old stuff out, installed the largest transmission cooler I could find. Installed the radiator, started to bolt the thing in so I could fab up brackets for the e fan. Well ****! The radiator was 2 inches shorter then the bracket for the top. Those pot heads, damn and they didn't even offer to share! Called them back got the correct one for the brackets headed my way. So I went back to fabing the brackets. Maybe an hour go by and the driver shows up. 'I didn't have the right one in stock, we have to order it so I just brought this, it matches the dimensions you gave us'. Thought to myself 1. what is this going to cost me and 2. Well at least I won't have to beat myself to death driving the ramcharger to work. I pulled the box open and immediatelygrabbed the tape and looked at the parts guy. 'What's this going to cost me?'. He told me that the 4 core radiator is going to be $3.00 cheaper then the 2 core since we don't have it in stock. I asked why, and he told me that the parts store across the street carries the same manufacturer and that is the price that they charge for it. Score new 4 core radiator for $95.00 with a lifetime warranty. So I finished the brackets pulled out the short radiator, boxed it up, and handed it to the autozone driver. Had everything installed and working about an hour later.

I did run into a problem when I wired both fans on the same relay. Grabbed my mac tester from work since I didn't have anything at home that would test amp load of a circuit. clamped it on and hooked up some jumper wires to turn the fans on. Yea now I see why I'm going through a relay a day now. Pulling 36 amps at start up through a '30 amp' relay. Would handle the load in the morning on the way in to work, but on the way home I would always pop the relay just before I hit the interstate just a few miles from the shop. Rewired every thing so that each fan had a relay. 18 amps at start up, 12.5 amps at work speed, much better. Decided that while I was installing the second relay, that I would pop a little extra coin for the relay bases and relays for the headlight mod. I have as of yet done that.

I did find some time to fab up a second battery box for the driver's side, nothing fancy, just 3/32" sheet metal formed brackets with massive spacers that act as supports as well. Took the washer fluid tank and mounted it on the rearward side of the new battery box. Works good, almost looks like it belong there from the factory. I must admit that I never have looked at or taken measurements of the factory model, nor have I as of yet seen one!

Of course with a new battery box, I needed to get new batteries, matching set 800cca top and side post. Matching so I don't have to worry about one battery decharging the other because that don't match i.e. 800 cca and a 650 cca. Yea leave that truck sit for a week with out a battery isolator, may not be dead, but I doubt it will start without a jumper pack on it!

Grand daughter was born out at Pendleton, first week of Oct. The wife and I took a weekend flight out to see her and the kid. Man that base has changed from 20 years ago. Left Indy at 4pm and arrived at 8pm our time, I think we two hours. Leave home in the middle of rush hour, and go from LAX to Pendleton in rush hour! Only ****ing me, I hate you Murphy, I really do! Got to see where Sarah's duty station is, where Zack's duty station is, then I showed them were I was stationed at. The whole time my wife was looking for green grass. I had to drive her over to the officer's quarters for her to see green grass on a USMC base in Calif. Got to find a few buddies that were still 'alive'. (Man I am getting old!) We happened to get in town the night before she was released from medical, so I got to carry her in her new home, on base housing. Hung out with the kids Sunday, took a nap then Mon morning we were on a flight home left LAX at 1am landed in Indianapolis at a quarter after 5, dropped my wife off at home and I went to the shop.

Of course she is beautiful, mom is doing great goes to light duty the end of Oct. returns to full duty mid december. Her hubby, goes overseas in Feb. She will find out when she returns to full duty if she is ineligible for overseas duty while he is deployed, then again if she does go that would mean Elizabeth is going to live with Grandma and Grandpa while Mom is on float. I don't know if I have more faith in Uncle Sam holding up on his end of the bargain or for Murphy to screw things up!

Finally we got some rain, so we got to get started on the septic system at the cabin. My wife is getting her way with the cabin, a fully functional kitchen, bathroom, and laundry room. I think this will be the only cabin built in 1938 that has indoor plumbing plus an up to date kitchen that I know of! Christ, Murphy you got me again!

Well I guess she's happy with the progress with the cabin so she offered a buy one get one free deal on tires for my truck. Not bad, but I inquired about attached strings, she said that there are none. Immediately called the east washington street 4 wheel parts shop and put them on notice that I will be coming in (this past Saturday) and picking up 4 TSL tires 33x12.50x15. Boy did they blow that deal, didn't have any, don't carry any in that size, they are special order only WTF? are you kidding?. Then I started to think realistically, found that they don't even have any KO in stock, since that is their biggest seller. Well I called old reliable, tire barn, and they had 3 in stock, what the hell I bought this truck for $25.00, and the tires are 8 years old. Let's see what the inside of two of the look like. One hour later I was at home using the chemicals to clean the rims up. I'm not super crazy about this style of the rims (fake beadlocks) but damn they really look stupid with out the ring on the outboard side. Think I'm going to add real beadlocks to the list! No no thinking about it I AM!

I have decided to add some guages on the a-pillar and the center of the dash, god knows there more then enough real estate there. I don't want to even think about pulling the guage set out of the Dodge to put in the Suburban. That was a real PITA to install!

Talked to a buddy at work about the spring situation that I have on the rear of the truck, and he suggestied that I call and get in to 4 wheel parts and get it squared away double time quick, since he doesn't want to get stuck going down to the cabin to pull my trailer home with 3 cords of wood on it at 10pm Sunday night. So I called and made an appt. for tomorrow, just going to drop it off and see what the set me up with. Hopefully I can get the to go with the '88 3500 setup has like 9 damn springs capacity of like 5000 lbs, I know that is way to much for the axle, but I'm not going to let the springs limit me and I know that I'm not doing an axle in the near future, but I will be doing an axle when I find the one I want to build. Anyone ever built a suburban with dual rear wheels?

Anyways enough of the bull**** story here's the good ****. This time I'll have to post up with two sets and a partial number three. Slow but sure, slow but sure.

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October Update 3

More pics, damn I need to clean that wiring up after I do the headlight mod. That looks like ****! Didn't want to waste the download so I had some silly pics that I think my son in law's buddies got from overseas, what the hell!

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My Mistake

I have to agree with Cabledawg. That thing is too huge and the Burb frame is probably going to be fatigued quickly. How much does the winch weigh?

Cabledawg...Minot, ND?:waytogo:


Sorry Ned Kelly, this is the first time I have gone back and read my thread from the beginning. Glad I ponied up to make a thread, it's really handy to remind me of stuff.

To answer your question the winch itself weight 125 pounds. That is without the motor mounted or the drive chain. Not does that include the pump, tank, and fluid at 9 pounds a gallon plus all of the hoses. I have started to fabricate (passive) a 10 gallon tank that will sit around the rear wheel well on the passenger side. I can only move so far on that part of it, I need it to fit cleanly with the slide out that I am in the process of fabrication now (active). If everything goes to plan, and Murphy picks on someone else for a while, I hope to have it working properly by Christmas. I did find a bolt in deal that was only a tick under $4000.00. I can do so much more with 4 grand in raw materials then to put it in someone else's pocket! This is why I am thinking of a 2 piece bumper that would allow me to use the winch system like a mini tractor has a detachable backhoe. or a snowplow. I could just imagine what that would do to my fuel costs!
 
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