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upgrading master cylinder help

muddin78

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after switching to 1 ton chevy axles, I went ahead and purchased the disc brake swap for the 14BFF. Then I found out that my rear calipers werent working and was told that I have to upgrade my MC. I went and bought an A1 Cardone 10-2754 from Oreilly's which is what was recommended by my friend who just did the swap on his 83 K10, only to find out that the vacuum booster has a smaller diameter hole and wont allow the new master cylinder to fit correctly. Is there a different MC that will work for a 78? or do I have to get a new vacuum booster for an 83, and will it bolt up to my 78 cab?

thanks
 
Some people have different issues on our trucks. Some people can get away with swapping to disc and be fine. Others need to eleminate the proportioning valve. They way I have mine set up (76 K5 1 ton 4 wheel disc) is I used the stock booster and a MC from a 77 K30 4x4 - PN101534. It has a big 1 5/16" bore to move some fluid. I have my fronts hooked ditectly to the MC and the rears are plumbed thru a Wildwood Adjustable Prop valve. I have removed the factory prop valve and put a T in it's place. Brakes work great.
 
I'm running the stock master after my 1 ton swap with rear disc and works perfectly.
 
after switching to 1 ton chevy axles, I went ahead and purchased the disc brake swap for the 14BFF. Then I found out that my rear calipers werent working and was told that I have to upgrade my MC. I went and bought an A1 Cardone 10-2754 from Oreilly's which is what was recommended by my friend who just did the swap on his 83 K10, only to find out that the vacuum booster has a smaller diameter hole and wont allow the new master cylinder to fit correctly. Is there a different MC that will work for a 78? or do I have to get a new vacuum booster for an 83, and will it bolt up to my 78 cab?

thanks

As far as booster-to-cylinder fitment, you'll want a master to match your booster's year, yes. You could switch boosters, but that's prolly more $$.

I've done two 14bFF disc conversions, and on my K5 I'm still using the original style master cylinder with no changes. She'll stop on a dime and give change.

On my pickup I ended up changing everything out, master adjustable prop valve, no combo valve, residual valves, you name it. I still had problems, particularly with leakage and bleeding. (Even pressure bleeding a crewcab just sucks due to the length of the lines.) Eventually I got that truck stopping, but I wonder how much of the bling-bling parts I paid $$ for were actually necessary. (Now that it works, you won't find me changing anything out to test!) She'll stop on a dime, more or less, albeit without change (it's a crewcab dually, whaddya expect? :D)

If you are having problems, I hate to say it, you should stick with original parts until you fix the problem. If your master is leaky or whatever, changing it for a different style might well fix it .. but it introduces another variable. Replacing a bad master with a good one of the same style would fix it too, and does NOT introduce more changes.

There are discussions as to whether the C/K30 masters output more or less pressure than the C/K10 counterparts for the bigger brakes, and whether that's a good or bad thing. I would change as little as possible, one thing at a time, until you work the kinks out. You may spend a bit more $$ this way -- I have a few extra master cylinders, boosters, etc for my three trucks -- but at least you get good (i.e. safe) brakes. Brakes (and steering, and lighting) are not to be trifled with :deal:

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thanks...I have returned the first MC that I bought and replaced it with the part numbers you supplied. I hope it works. Thanks again for the help
 
Let us know how it work out. Bleeding will likely be a total B!otch! I borrowed an electric power bleeder and eventually made one myself.
 
well I broke down and got one of those vacuum bleeders from the parts store to help bleed this thing, and it worked awesome. I changed out the MC for the one you suggested, and I have rock hard brakes. I appreciate it very much.
 

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