warn winch good deal/big enough

[Littlebubba44]

well i got stuck bad yesterday and got me wanting a winch again so i started to shop around... but have some questions

#1) i believe a 8000 lb winch would be large enough for a fullsize k10, am i right (using mostly in mud or pulling people out of ditches)

#2) if an 8000 lb winch is strong enough would $573.95 (free shipping if you buy something else) be a good price for a warn M8000?


this is the place that has the "special deal"
http://www.gowarn.com/m8000-winch.asp

 

[RootBreaker]

well they say take your truck and go weigh it....
then 1.5 times that weight is what you should get as a minimum...
dont forget winch ratings are in rolling weight..not stuck to the frame in mud numbers...

however here is the problem... you just said mud...

even a truck that the weight would come in ok for say a 8k ....
lets say a truck on 44's and stuck to the frame in mud.. well thick gooey mud is nastier and suction cups you in.... so then you use a snatch block... well that should do it...... but remember.. the bigger the better for mud.....uphill and rocks... fine your rolling weight with some throttle....

 

[mrk5]

I agree with Rootbreaker, if you're talking about getting stuck in the mud, an 8000# winch won't be enough. You can use a snatch block to increase the mechanical advantage to 16000, but in mud you may need the extra line to reach an anchor point and not have enough for a snatch block.

I'm running an 8000# winch, but I avoid mud like the plague. I'm carrying a snatch block in case it's needed. Plus the price was right on this particular winch and I felt it was better than nothing.

Metrodps just posted a good thread on figuring out how much winch you need for different recovery situations. It was here in the Garage in a thread about someone burning up a 12000# MileMarker winch.

Oh, and you can get a better price on that winch at winchdepot.com.

 

[mrk5]

BTW, you have to call to get the price that's listed on the home page. I know because my Dad just ordered one last week.

 

[vortec]

for the few times i've been stuck or needed recovery, 8k wouldn't cut it. in fact, last time, i had two guys pulling me up the hill (i busted my rear u-joints and it was not even close to safe to work in that spot) and they burned one warn out, and got the other extremely hot. we wanted to use snatch blocks, but even with tow-straps, we had a reach issue. it was a long pull over some really nasty obstacles.

but, i do agree that 8k is better than nothing, as long as it doens't end up getting you stuck more often because of added weight (not likely).

 

[Metrodps]

well i got stuck bad yesterday and got me wanting a winch again so i started to shop around... but have some questions

#1) i believe a 8000 lb winch would be large enough for a fullsize k10, am i right (using mostly in mud or pulling people out of ditches)

#2) if an 8000 lb winch is strong enough would $573.95 (free shipping if you buy something else) be a good price for a warn M8000?


this is the place that has the "special deal"
http://www.gowarn.com/m8000-winch.asp

Well I said it before!

04-08-2007, 07:40 PM OK after watching a bumper get ripped off a truck this weekend. I thought I would bring this back into focus. Read it; learn it; live it!


Originally Posted by Metrodps
First you need to be absolutely sure that EVERY single piece of equipment used in the task is strong enough and will not fail and thereby endanger life and limb. Hooks should be pointing up that way if they come off they go down. Realize, that for reasons of practicality and economics, your 4x4 recovery equipment is almost certainly undersized.....you can still do the job, using the correct techniques, but you will be much SAFER if you keep this in mind.

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]1) Most people are terrible at actually estimating the gross weight of their rig as it sits on the trail, full of gas, tools, equipment, food, camping gear, people, the dog...everything. Heck, in some cases the real figure can actually exceed the GVWR of the vehicle. Simple advice here - either err WAY on the heavy side, or get your rig weighed in trail trim.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]2) More importantly, the "effective weight" of a "stuck" 4x4 is very often FAR more than 1.5 times the GVW. The following data on how to more accurately estimate the "effective weight", is taken from the world of professional heavy recovery - the guys that recover Tractor-trailers that have flipped on their side for instance, as well as U.S., Canadian, and UK Military recovery manuals.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Once you have accurately estimated or measured the trucks loaded weight (LW) you can calculate the resistance to be overcome in any recovery situation (this is commonly known as the ROLLING resistance). There are 4 types of resistance that must be accounted for to accurately assess the resistance that must be overcome. These are surface resistance, damage resistance, mire (stuck) resistance and grade (slope) resistance. Calculate them all as follows: [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]​

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Surface resistance[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]A pull of 1/10 LW will cause a free wheeling truck to move on a hard, level surface.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]A pull of 1/3 LW will cause a free wheeling truck to move on a softer surface, such as grass or gravel,
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Damage resistance:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]A pull of 2/3 LW will be required to move if the wheels cannot rotate (as if the brakes were fully applied), the pull required to overcome the resistance (drag) the truck id 2/3 or 67% of the LW. Damage resistance includes surface resistance (i.e. you only use one or the other)[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Stuck (mire) resistance:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]A pull of 100% of LW will be required if the truck is stuck to a depth of the sidewall on the tires.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]A pull of 200% of LW will be required if the truck is stuck to the hubs.
A pull of 300% of LW will be required if the truck is stuck to the frame..

Mire resistance includes damage resistance (i.e. you only use one or the other)​

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[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Grade (slope) resistance:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Upgrade (vehicle has to be recovered up a slope or grade)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]15 degrees - add 25% of LW[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]30 degrees - add 50% of LW
45 degrees - add 75% of LW

Vehicle recovery on level ground - no correction​

Downgrade (vehicle has to be recovered down a slope or grade)
15 degrees - subtract 25% of LW
30 degrees - subtract 50% of LW​

45 degrees - subtract 75% of LW


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[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Final figure:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Add surface or damage or mire resistance and grade resistance, and this is your final figure or rolling resistance. This is the amount of pull the winch must apply in order to recover the stuck vehicle.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Here is the military approach.[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The way to attack the situation. Using this method you can free a Hummer buried up to its axles Thanks to Mike Rowe and Dirty jobs.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]If you want to read on recovery operations search for:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]FM 9-43-2, Recovery and Battlefield Damage Assessment and Repair.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]​

 

[nvrenuf]

I own both an M8000 and an 8274, both are rated at 8k but the 8274 is by far stronger than the low profile verson. I have stalled the M8000 when it shouldn't have and the 8274 has pulled me out when I thought I'd need more winch.

That said, based on the current selling price of a new 8274 I would buy a larger low profile.

 

[vortec]

[FONT=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]If you want to read on recovery operations search for:[/FONT]​

That pic is just awesome . is the middle guy stewie, from family guy?

gets the point across, at least