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water for fuel

Why don't YOU try it and let us know, cuz I don't believe it. When was the last time you saw an amazingly simple way to increase your fuel mileage turn out to be real? I haven't seen one yet.:rolleyes:
 
You are all about to be corrected. You use water and electicity. By electrolisis the water is turned into a gaseous state, h2o, hydrogen burns extremley well, remember the Hindenburg, and the oxygen supports combustion. A good friend of mine is working on how to exactly perfect it but he has used it on his own car,as a test bed , and to this date he has managed to increase his gas milage by 22 miles to the gallon of fuel. This was already a proven theory back in the 40's but everytime some one comes up with a plan, the big oil companys by the patent. Iraq has held one of the earliest patents on this since I believe the 30's or 40's. He is sure he can perfect it to the point where the only time he will need gasoline is for initial start up and about the first minute or 2 of run time to warm things up.
 
Here ya go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer

Scale it up, down, or around, same thing...you can't get more energy out than you put in, no matter how small or large it is. Even if it can be made to work and show gains, you would still expend more energy creating the device than it could put out in it's life. That's not me talking, that's physics, if you want to argue, take it up with a physicist...or is it a thermaldynanimist? lol As a matter of fact, take any "environmentally friendly" technology and apply the same laws...

And even easier to understand first paragraph:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
 
I've seen it in person, and I really believe he's onto something. It sure seems very likely to me that it can and does work. It just has to be perfected to make it all come together. I'm giving him a riding mower to do his full tests on, which he can equate into use for a car engine .
 
This theory violates Conservation of Energy, that's obvious. Also, Mythbusters did one of these, and they were amazed when the car started and ran. Then they realized they still had fuel in the carb bowl. When that ran out it died and would not start again. No, they're not perfect, I've seen them screw up a few myths that I knew to be true. Thanks for the link Dyeager, I was too lazy to go look it up before. My mom had sent me the water as fuel link seveeral months ago asking if it was possible. I had already explained to her that physics states it isn't possible. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.:D
 
Wouldn't running on water be like a hydrolock? When somebody HERE, who I can trust does this, I might be interested; otherwise I wouldn't try to run any of my vehicles, even my Jimmy which is a POS on water.
 
rjpastor said:
Wouldn't running on water be like a hydrolock? When somebody HERE, who I can trust does this, I might be interested; otherwise I wouldn't try to run any of my vehicles, even my Jimmy which is a POS on water.
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It's not like pouring water into the carb. The methods and ideas vary, but after looking at several sites about it, none of them seem to add up for me. I took my fair share of physics and chemistry in college, and it makes me very skeptical of these supposedly scientific breakthroughs. I'd love to play with one of these gimmick setups for entertainment value, I just don't want to benefit any of these clowns marketing it.:D
 
Several members have tried these setups, and I can tell you that just enrichening the mixture with a little hydrogen didn't net any huge gains in economy.

It may very well be that at some point we will all switch to hydrogen, but the technology isn't there yet. GM has proven that combustion engines can be run with almost no modification, using straight hydrogen, but there is no way to generate enough energy to sustain electrolysis at high enough levels to truly run a vehicle off water. The setups they used had large hydrogen tanks to allow them to acheive a decent range, but the overall economy wasn't as good as running on gas.
 
Thank you for the replies. I didn't think it would work as they said. I do believe that eventually it will work when we reach that level of thinking. Might take a hundred years or so.
 
Hi guys..

just jumping in here.. normally I don't do such blatant commercials on CK5, but the level of pessimism about how far off a solution might be ( in this thread and others) has motivated me to speak up.. we solve these problems on a daily basis, while keeping our customers profitable.

I'm not out to convince the additive athiests here to try my stuff, but for those of you are motivated to play with these types of things, you'll be pleasantly suprised..

all ya do is buy it, and pour it in.. the ease of use is what scares everyone, I know ( they've told me), but we've been proven by the worlds foremost fuel labs, ( southwest research, National Energy & Technology Lab), and we make heroes out of the companies who embrace us.. we aren't available on a retail level ( our choice), but I'm here ( as a vendor) because I want you guys to have access to it.

take a gander at the vendor thread, and check out the links contained therein..

we now return you to your regular programming..
 
4by4bygod said:
Hi guys..

just jumping in here.. normally I don't do such blatant commercials on CK5, but the level of pessimism about how far off a solution might be ( in this thread and others) has motivated me to speak up.. we solve these problems on a daily basis, while keeping our customers profitable.

I'm not out to convince the additive athiests here to try my stuff, but for those of you are motivated to play with these types of things, you'll be pleasantly suprised..

all ya do is buy it, and pour it in.. the ease of use is what scares everyone, I know ( they've told me), but we've been proven by the worlds foremost fuel labs, ( southwest research, National Energy & Technology Lab), and we make heroes out of the companies who embrace us.. we aren't available on a retail level ( our choice), but I'm here ( as a vendor) because I want you guys to have access to it.

take a gander at the vendor thread, and check out the links contained therein..

we now return you to your regular programming..
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:deal: Word! I have tried Tom's magic juice. It does work. It wont make your vehicle run on water. But I ran my Blazer on 85 octane gas with his additive and got better than 18mpg.
Normally without the additive, My K5 wont run on 85 and drinks up it like water.
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Shamless prouduct plug off:D.
 
Water injection has been used in some form or another for decades. High performance military aircraft in the ww2 era, for instance. It wasn't anything like what's being expounded by the WFG folks, though.
 
I ran an Edelbrock water injection system on a 383 stroker motor in the early 80's. I was at Edelbrock's shop and we were discussing these motors running hot across the desert on the way to Lake Havasu. One of the engineers asked if I would try the system.

I was reluctant to spray water into the engines intake. The said they would replace the motor if it was damaged.

A simple under carb plate with a nozzle. A 1 gallon water bottle and a crude electronic controller to dial water flow, just ran the pump faster.

I went from sweating in 120 degree heat to running the air. The truck would get to 210 degrees. I would start the water and the temp would come down to 180. The truck would pull a little better. Hydrogen and Oxygen being compressed, along with cooler running temps.

IT DID NOTHING FOR THE MPS'S. I keep a detailed record to check it.

Not quite the same thing, but close enough for me to say it will not improve MPG's.
 
in the diesel world water or water meth is injected as many of you know to net lower egt's exhaust temps and also a mpg gain is seen, but as i said this is in a diesel, just wanted to put that out there
 
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