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We may have a minor problem at BB2013

Thanks Russell!!

Russell said:
You better come down! Sucks being the token Canadian all the time :P You at least have the right accent for it!
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I hope I'm not the only totally homophobic member that planned on attending...
May seem like an over reaction but, it's one of those things that really bothers me..

Sorry if any of my comments are offensive to any members.

Everyone has their own set of standards.
Mine just don't include any level of understanding for "back door buddies"!

It may be tolerable if I look at it like Miniwally said "entertainment" ...??
Could be good for a laugh with the CK5 gang..??
 
I find it a total abomination too, but there is no way I will let them win by changing my plans to accommodate them.

As long as they leave me alone I will turn a blind eye to them. As soon as there is any attempt by them to try and push some agenda on me then there will be a problem.
 
Comforting to hear Sir!

Russell said:
I find it a total abomination too, but there is no way I will let them win by changing my plans to accommodate them.

As long as they leave me alone I will turn a blind eye to them. As soon as there is any attempt by them to try and push some agenda on me then there will be a problem.
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That is a good way to look at it.....

I haven't officially registered with Mrk5 yet.
If we do go what trails do you guys recommend for Kelly and I

Both trucks have lockers front and rear
Internal Beadlocks and 42's
Don't want to destroy them but not looking for a walk in the park either.
 
If you get invited to one of their picnic, stay away from the hot dogs. I hear they taste like sh*t :D
 
Wow, all this hate may make me change my mind about attending this little shindig. I happen to have a son who is gay and this kind of intolerance is total bullsh*t.

It's not like these people are there to attack you or anything, they're just there to have a good time and enjoy Moab, just like you.
 
As stated in post #21 Not meant to offend...

r3dd0g said:
Wow, all this hate may make me change my mind about attending this little shindig. I happen to have a son who is gay and this kind of intolerance is total bullsh*t.

It's not like these people are there to attack you or anything, they're just there to have a good time and enjoy Moab, just like you.
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I never said "hate" in any of my comments.
It would be one thing for those with that preference for a partner to keep it to themselves.

To each his own...

My problem is with the "pride parade thing"!
This serves only one function, and that is to flaunt their choice in the faces of those who don't understand or agree with their choices.

Unfortunately there are many flamboyantly gay who make the idea of being in the company of numerous, like people very uncomfortable for us Straight guys!

You clearly have a direct connection that I do not, so I'm the 1st to admit your level of understanding is far different than mine.

The problem with opinions is that everyone has one.

I can respect you for supporting your son.......and I do apologize for my comments.... but not for explaining my own standards or MY personal feelings.
 
I go to BB to wheel, see my CK5 friends in person, and they often end up working on my rig. :doah:

What other groups are there isn't going to affect me other than maybe some longer lines at businesses. Other than picking up supplies, auto parts, and food, my time is spent on the trail, or kicking back at the campground, or motel.
 
How would you feel if the roles were reversed if you were ostracized for "flaunting your heterosexuality".

They didn't chose to be gay, we didn't chose to be straight, you were both born that way. They have to hold pride events to raise awareness to the fact that they are discriminated against on many levels. If they weren't being discriminated against, you wouldn't see this sort of thing.
 
Also, if it makes you feel uncomfortable, get over it. You can't catch gay.

Think of it this way, every gay guy out there means that's 2 guys that aren't competing against you from women and face it, most of them are pretty fabulous making your odds all the better :D.
 
r3dd0g said:
Wow, all this hate may make me change my mind about attending this little shindig. I happen to have a son who is gay and this kind of intolerance is total bullsh*t.

It's not like these people are there to attack you or anything, they're just there to have a good time and enjoy Moab, just like you.
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Didn't know that Brent, I had an Uncle that we are really certain was Gay but was never able to "come out of the closet" simply because of the time he lived in and his own parents beliefs.

While I may throw a few jokes around I really do feel that what happens between consenting adults happens, I don't care. If I do I can choose to remove myself from that situation.

Good on you Brent.

I'm still scared of real life Lesbians most women I've met that are gay could honestly kick my ass. :haha:
 
I'm fine with joking around about it, I joke around with my son about it.

It's rough, if you have a son, you don't have to worry about him getting his ass kicked or even getting murdered by gay guys because he's straight. I have to worry about my son because he's gay and there are straight guys that would do that to him. He still can't tell my parents about it or they would never speak to him again.

It's acceptable to say you're a homophobe or that you think gays are an abomination and it shouldn't be. You should feel bad that you feel that way, my son is a person just like you, he just happens to be attracted to other men.

In 50 years that sort of behavior will be as foreign as the thought of slavery is today. People used to think giving equal rights to blacks was an abomination too.
 
Brent while I don't think my comment was much I hope it didn't offend.

I just laugh at the thought of Brandon getting beat up by 2 girls!!!

I agree with what some said though, I really doubt it will affect us much I plan to be wheeling a whole lot

So Brent the real question is, I assume your boy has some sense of style?

You sure he is yours??????:whistle::whistle:
 
LOL, actually he doesn't fit the stereotype at all. He's a complete slob and dresses like he's still 15 (he's 23). :haha:
 
that's the joke... :whistle: He has long hair as well.

90% of this thread is all good, joke around have fun, but don't tell me my son is an abomination. That really pissed me off.
 
So I say in honor of the other activities going on that week in Moab I say we make our official phrase FABULOUS!!!!!!!

:D:D:D:D

I also say we adopt the ATV guys mantra of, " its not us, its those big 4 wd rigs you gotta be worried about tearing stuff up"

except say its not us, its those ATV guys you gotta worry about. I mean we are FABULOUS and they aren't.

Hey Brent at least you know for sure he is yours :D:D:D
 
I don't get why people have issues with gay men. :dunno: I just think of them as ugly women with a penis. Just because I'm not interested in them, don't mean I have to treat them badly.
 
I'm sorry to have pissed you off Brent, I consider you a friend and certainly hope that my beliefs don't have an impact on that. I was raised religious and it has a very strong influence on how I feel about this stuff.

What should really matter here is how one acts on those beliefs. I may not think that it is ok, but I am not going to be treating anyone who is gay badly. Like I said, I think it is wrong but I will turn a blind eye to it (becuase it really doesn't affect me) until someone starts to push their beliefs on me or looks down on me for mine. Tolerance is something that I think is critical to making peace with those around you and you'll never catch me pushing a religious agenda.

I personally believe that folks are born gay, and I have no issues with them getting married or whatever they want. They can have their parades or do whatever they want until it infringes on my beliefs or tries to belittle them.

Heck, bring your son with you if he wants, I'll prove to you that it makes no difference in how I treat him.
 
Some clarification...regarding my posts.

Brent, I also did not intend to cause any offence.

As I said "I respect you defending your son's life choice",
That truly is part of our job as parents.:bow:

Just to clarify an earlier statement, I was not strictly concerned about the Pride group (the thread took an awkward lane change there!!) but was voicing my problem with the overall volume of people that will make it difficult for any of us to get together in 1 place to swap stories etc..:dunno:

I'm still going to attend BB and would like an opportunity to shake your hand to apologize in person....

Sorry Minwally that room is still booked...:D
 
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