Welding on the frame

[70jimmy]

Meh, just flip the truck on end then the vertical weld becomes a horizontal weld, DUH!!

Yes welding should be done with people with experience and training, who have done research, ie done a bunch of welding and been around the products they have welded to see if the welding lasts or any issues that come up, then they can research on how to correct those issues.

to summarized rdn2blazer's post: He got experience yes he do he got experience how bout you?????

What's that brad paisley song about being anybody you want on the internet???

Back on track. Am I welder? Nope not even close, Have I welded? Yes, but I would not consider myself good enough to weld extremely important parts on my rig. I let someone else do that after I have inspected their welding. There are things on my rig that I have welded that take stress, front F-250 shock towers. I welded them, they have held for 6 years and I inspect the welds often. But then I inspect the welds on my cage also that were done by people with far more experience than I have.

 

[M1009Bomber]

@ ryoken - That is me trying to be polite. Sorry if it came across as anything otherwise.

@ jekQuist - ya, obviously I would have welded the cracks wrong...wait a sec, I'm the only person on here supporting proper frame welding in the first place, lol.

@ blazinuk - So far you're the only person I think actually understands what I'm talking about....thanks for the input. Also a big fan of your work.

@ rdn - this proves first and foremost that you can spell real good-like. But beside that, I would like to hear more about why I am wrong, or why you feel it's overkill...please don't tell me "I've been doing this longer than you". Tell me why. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just want more information.

 

[M1009Bomber]

your first post... geeee, helpful and polite...

what , this came up in a google search and brought you here.... wow, thanks for gracing us with your presence...... any clue how many other threads this subject has been discussed in here prior? didn't think so...

your not talking trucks, your telling us all we build unsafe deathtraps, by all means, please be my friend...

Again, those comments were not directed towards everyone.

If more information is available can you let me know where to find it? This is the only thread I've seen dealing with this specific issue.

 

[K5 Jess]

Wow ... This thread went to hell.

 

[FRIZZLEFRY]

That's exactly what I was getting at in an earlier post.

Using the "color change" method is something the old timers do. The problem with the old timers is they're methods are usually as outdated as they are. That could be the problem with ck5 due to the trucks being "vintage"

You need to get out more.

Heat treating water and oil hard steels by color is a totally common practice in a modern tool and die shop.

You continue to reinforce a statement I made in my last post.

 

[blazinzuk]

I think you are not reading the posts careful enough.

What Rob (rdn2blazer) said and what has been said several times on here is mostly the same just saying it in a different way then I did.

There are guys on here once you have been on here for a while that when you ask a question their answer is gospel.

Rob is one of those guys as far as welding and machining goes. I have been on here quite a while and have seen the experience and knowledge base some of these guys have.

Mostly the reason everyone is so riled up I realize you are new, so you don't know everyone here, you haven't seen other posts from certain guys that have convinced me that if they say it, it is.

I have more real world expirance building stuff ( off road crap) than some guys around here there are some who just plan flat out know more than I do about theory and what I would called an engineered weld.

Its easy to be misunderstood on the interweb ( still haven't found the sarcasm font) so if you are being misunderstood and you just seek more knowledge ( this applies to ANYONE reading this thread) just try to be polite, if you aren't perceived to be polite then change how you are asking.




Can't we all just be friends.................................................

 

[ryoken]

*sniff sniff*

I wuv you Eric!

 

[M1009Bomber]

Well, I'm sorry I don't know you all on a first name basis along with all your past experience and credentials.

But I still think a logical argument is important....lay it on me, give me a reason besides "you've been doing this longer".

Yes, I have seen vertical welds from production. But I'd be willing to bet those are made from the same thickness material, and welded with computer controlled machines that are intended to put the least amount of heat into the base metal.

 

[M1009Bomber]

You need to get out more.

Heat treating water and oil hard steels by color is a totally common practice in a modern tool and die shop.

You continue to reinforce a statement I made in my last post.

Ok, but are you really going to do that to your 16-17 foot long frame?

 

[Deuling]

People would be much more willing to share good info and actually talk like adults if you just chill for a second before you keep typing all the snobby jabs at everyone that disagrees. Think before you type.

 

[blazinzuk]

Well, I'm sorry I don't know you all on a first name basis along with all your past experience and credentials.

But I still think a logical argument is important....lay it on me, give me a reason besides "you've been doing this longer".

Yes, I have seen vertical welds from production. But I'd be willing to bet those are made from the same thickness material, and welded with computer controlled machines that are intended to put the least amount of heat into the base metal.

You've never worked on a Toyota then

blows my mind how much porosity and gooberness you see on the factory toyota welds.

They are by far some of the worst factory welds I have ever seen.


Although this has kind of got me thinking about some of the other age old arguments. Skinny tires vs fat tires in the mud. Auto vs stick. Welding cast to normal. MIG vs TIG. Stick vs well everything.

Its kind of like alot of those other arguments. Most of the time its fine, but there are sometimes when its simply the wrong way to do things. Does it get the job done yes, but there are better ways to do it

 

[M1009Bomber]

Its kind of like alot of those other arguments. Most of the time its fine, but there are sometimes when its simply the wrong way to do things. Does it get the job done yes, but there are better ways to do it

This is what I've been saying all along, but I also feel that if you intend to drive your custom rig on a public road, it should be built to the same standards that the automotive industry sets for production vehicles along with things like proper frame welding/repair procedures

 

[M1009Bomber]

This is what I've been saying all along, but I also feel that if you intend to drive your custom rig on a public road, it should be built to the same standards that the automotive industry sets for production vehicles along with things like proper frame welding/repair procedures

By no way am I saying production cars are perfect...manufacturers cut corners to save time and money, but those are calculated risks on vehicles that will not see the same stress our vehicles do.

 

[M1009Bomber]

If you really want to test this out, weld up some rock sliders on your DD and try to get a safety inspection, or try to get it insured...not gonna happen.

 

[Avery4jc]

If you really want to test this out, weld up some rock sliders on your DD and try to get a safety inspection, or try to get it insured...not gonna happen.

No inspections here but my insurance agent has seen my truck many times and hasn't batted an eye.... Have you seen what all is going on with my truck that isn't off the assembly line including sliders welded to the frame and cab?
I now see you just want to fight so I'm sure a bunch of us will play along but at the end of the day I doubt you'll ever change a single person's mind.
Sometimes its not what you are saying but how you say it... Ever met a politician?

 

[M1009Bomber]

No inspections here but my insurance agent has seen my truck many times and hasn't batted an eye.... Have you seen what all is going on with my truck that isn't off the assembly line including sliders welded to the frame and cab?
I now see you just want to fight so I'm sure a bunch of us will play along but at the end of the day I doubt you'll ever change a single person's mind.
Sometimes its not what you are saying but how you say it... Ever met a politician?

Haha ok, well then look in your owners manual and read the specifications for frame modification. If your methods are incorrect or your tolerances not within spec it's no longer the truck you started on...thus the problem insuring it.

Not even looking for a fight...the only reason I even made an account was to see if any of the great minds at ck5 had a solution this issue. Guess it was a waste of time...

 

[M1009Bomber]

Really I have no problems welding to the frame of a vehicle...this is not the argument at all...it's all about how you do it. On frames known for developing cracks, why introduce more spots for it to fail? Especially if this can be avoided with techniques specifically designed to combat the problem?

 

[mr250twostroke]

You'd be better off hanging out in the "padpalooza" thread and increasing your post count with worthless bs. There seems to be some kinda honor in how many times you can hit the "submit" key. You of course have to pay for that ability...

 

[frankin5]

Really I have no problems welding to the frame of a vehicle...this is not the argument at all...it's all about how you do it. On frames known for developing cracks, why introduce more spots for it to fail? Especially if this can be avoided with techniques specifically designed to combat the problem?

I have been a member on this site for 10 years. I have seen a vast number of people on this site able and willing to help anyone that had a question and give of their knowledge freely. You seen to be very book wise, but you are dumber than a box of rock when it comes to common sense. This is a very friendly site and loaded with people that work on their toys. Have not seen you work, you choose to not show your work. I think if you were to try Pirate with your attitude, you would not have lasted this long. They probably banned you and that why you are here. Your whole post is that you are righteous right and we are all incompetent. You just don't get the point. it not that your right or wrong, its your attitude.

 

[Zeus33rd]

If this jackass had tried these shenanigans on pirate, he would've been told, not so nicely, to take his dumb ass question to the newb forum, then chased away whimpering with his tail between his legs.

My problem with this jack-ass is the attitude as well. You want facts? You are new here. You don't know anyone. You're not a welder or fabricator. You don't know what skill sets people here posses. You dont know if I, or anyone else for that matter, is qualified/experienced enough to answer your questions without explaining and justifying everything.

You're obviously a smart guy, but sorta behind the power curve with people skills. 6 years ago on this website, I was the same way. I knew everything, no one could tell me anything and I was right about everything. I started a lot of shiit. Then I got older, got some more experience, and then realized that I knew how much I don't know.

Was part of a 2 man crew building a rear engine, chromo tubing, Ultra 4 race car for the Lucas Oil team and The King Of The Hammers race. I spent 2 years at a formal welding school. I've held an AWS D1.1 structural steel welding cert- unlimited thickness, all positions, w/7018 rod. I worked as a tig welder and built jigs for a 5 axis robotic welder to weld motocycle exhaust. Company was BUB Enterprises. I spent a couple years building driveshafts for Jesse at High Angle Driveline. I've worked for a company called Best Trailer, we built the trailers that ypu see at the equipment rental places. 6-7 of those trailers a day would come out of that shop. My first job ever at age 18, was assembling and welding track switches for the over head trolley systems used in meat packing plants. The company I worked for built the slaughter house set in Predator 2.

So yeah, of course I'm gonna get a bit of an attitude when you so arrogantly question all that. Rest assured, I know what I'm talking about if I decide to answer an welding question on here. Any welding/fab question asked by anyone on this website is well within my knowledge range to answer correctly.