And no (Viagra needed). Well I did it. I got my courage up to trim my fenders. After 4 failed attempts before even starting to cut. I marked where I wanted to mark for the cut. Started my grinder, got it up to speed, couldn't get myself to start the cut, put the grinder down. And would come back after I thought I could go thru w/ it. Keep in mind my '85 is by no means a show truck or a rust bucket. It just didn't right to cut good sheet metal. But after I finally started the cut and made the turn up the side where it was visable,(point of no return) it became easier to finish the job. I just hope I trimmed enough, but if I didn't it will be easier to cut it the next time. later i_4x4 LET'S ROCK Don't follow me you will get STUCK!!