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Welp, the 2019 Chevy Blazer dropped today...

boggerless said:
why do you think the F series sells the best? Hmm? SFA super dutys come to mind. I have alway been a GM guy. But their chit sucks? I,m not buying it. Make something i want.
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Superduty trucks account for less than 30% of F-series sales. If you ignored every Superduty sale, Ford's 1/2-ton sales alone would still outnumber Chevy's 1/2-ton, 3/4-ton, and 1-ton sales combined. It's not just the axle, Chevy has not maintained relevance. I'm trying to think of any category that they dominate, and I'm coming up blank. That wasn't the case 30 years ago, they have slid far down the hill.
 
campfire said:
Superduty trucks account for less than 30% of F-series sales. If you ignored every Superduty sale, Ford's 1/2-ton sales alone would still outnumber Chevy's 1/2-ton, 3/4-ton, and 1-ton sales combined. It's not just the axle, Chevy has not maintained relevance. I'm trying to think of any category that they dominate, and I'm coming up blank. That wasn't the case 30 years ago, they have slid far down the hill.
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Where are your numbers coming from?

I haven't tracked the numbers for a long time but in recent times you will see cycles. New model spikes. Etc. Long term trends are better to look at. In the long term trends, GM is doing just fine in pickup sales.

Also when I was very interested in this and actually tracking it, there were several times when GM outsold Ford as far as pickups. GM and Ford will both mess with the numbers too. Fleet sales, medium duty trucks being called F series, leases, even in years past adding in sales of used ( less than 2500 miles) as new truck sales.

It's all a numbers game and Ford will do literally anything to maintain it's top selling status. Which if I was them I would too.
 
campfire said:
Ford's 1/2-ton sales alone would still outnumber Chevy's 1/2-ton, 3/4-ton, and 1-ton sales combined.
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I'm going to have to ask the same question as @blazinzuk below here...

blazinzuk said:
Where are your numbers coming from?
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Cause just being observant as to the number of trucks running around on the road that have been built in the last 10 years to present day, I see WAY more 1/2 ton chevy's running around than ford or dodge's. I would venture to say that just looking at the half ton truck market, chevy dominates that for sure
 
Actually sales number are likely within 75k trucks most years. When I was really looking, btw I got updates directly from automotive manufacturers, due to a college professor, there were times when the total yearly numbers were within a couple thousand units.
 
Kay86K5 said:
I'm going to have to ask the same question as @blazinzuk below here...



Cause just being observant as to the number of trucks running around on the road that have been built in the last 10 years to present day, I see WAY more 1/2 ton chevy's running around than ford or dodge's. I would venture to say that just looking at the half ton truck market, chevy dominates that for sure
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I wonder how Chevy and GMC combined compare to Ford in 1/2 ton pickup sales.
 
blazinzuk said:
Where are your numbers coming from?

I haven't tracked the numbers for a long time but in recent times you will see cycles. New model spikes. Etc. Long term trends are better to look at. In the long term trends, GM is doing just fine in pickup sales.

Also when I was very interested in this and actually tracking it, there were several times when GM outsold Ford as far as pickups. GM and Ford will both mess with the numbers too. Fleet sales, medium duty trucks being called F series, leases, even in years past adding in sales of used ( less than 2500 miles) as new truck sales.

It's all a numbers game and Ford will do literally anything to maintain it's top selling status. Which if I was them I would too.
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I pulled numbers from here. I will retract my statement if these numbers are wrong.

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/ford/ford-f-series/
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/chevrolet/chevrolet-silverado/

Yes, Ford is on a bit of a hot streak right now. But if you look at the last 10 years, Ford's worst year (2009 @ 414,000 trucks) is pretty close to Chevy's 10-year average (476,000). With a 10-year average of 670,000 trucks per year, either Ford is kicking tail or the numbers are seriously fudged. 1.4 Fords per Chevy. And like you said, even if the numbers are fudged, it is still great marketing for them. Chevy needs some help.
 
Kay86K5 said:
Cause just being observant as to the number of trucks running around on the road that have been built in the last 10 years to present day, I see WAY more 1/2 ton chevy's running around than ford or dodge's. I would venture to say that just looking at the half ton truck market, chevy dominates that for sure
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I'd discount observations from any one area. Around here I see Dodge trucks dominating, but we all know they aren't leading the pack on the national stage.
 
campfire said:
I'd discount observations from any one area. Around here I see Dodge trucks dominating, but we all know they aren't leading the pack on the national stage.
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I'd agree with that to a sense...I was referring to my perspective of everywhere I drive in the west and when I lived in Colorado too.

Who knows if those numbers are correct or not...if there is one thing I learned in my Economics classes in college it's to never believe a statistic unless you can see the hard data yourself. Cause anyone can make a stat look however they want depending on their bias for one reason or another (and don't fool yourself, every single person has a bias for one way or another, to have a truly unbiased sample to try and determine a statistic off of is very difficult to do).

And this goes back to my earlier comment in this thread about the type of people who are buying new vehicles these days. I would venture to say over 90% of the people buying new vehicles (trucks or crossovers) know absolutely nothing about the vehicle. In all honesty, they don't care if it has a blue Ford oval or a Chevy bowtie on the front...they care about cup holders and backup cameras. Which just proves more and more that I hate the majority of the population :D
 
As said above, a lot of it is in how you do the count. Do you include leases, fleet vehicles, medium duty, etc.? Here's one where they add all the truck sales (including Colorado and Canyon) and call GM the winner, selling 2x Ram:
https://www.tfltruck.com/2018/01/2017-pickup-truck-usa-sales-war-summary-won/ Ford's sales are very heavy on the F-150 and for a "single model" it has the biggest numbers. Ford has no small/mid pick-up, though.

But that 949,000 count for GM doesn't even count the SUVs, where the GM lineup is much broader than Ford. Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban, Avalanche, Yukon XL, Escalade, Escalade EXT, against just Expedition (and now Expedition Max because they know everybody needs a Suburban). Plus, Suburban, Yukon XL and Avalanche also have 3/4-ton versions, where Ford has none.
 
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But we are just talking pickups.

But tis true. Ford and Chevy both adjust their numbers several times. It's a game and Ford wins it most of the time. But they also include in F series trucks a couple medium duty trucks. Ford has done this on and off when GM gains ground on them.

All Ford guys will count GMC and Chevrolet as completely separate companies while GM guys will count them as one. All the while Dodge ( Ram) guys just scream Cummins.
 
TuckerK5 said:
I wonder how Chevy and GMC combined compare to Ford in 1/2 ton pickup sales.
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I have looked into this and combined gmc, Chevy blow Ford out of the water but that is not done because even Chevy and gmc are competing. Chevy most years beats gmc, and sometimes also Ford.
Dodge never comes close
 
UPDATE 12/10/18:

"Holes in GM's lineup, pt.1"

1) No more impala, cruize, volt and maro.

2) i will freely admit that IF i were more inclined / in a position to buy a new car, i would get an Astro, which of course, gm doesn't offer anymore. GM does not even offer a 1/2 ton van anymore (W.T.F.....????). So there's another hole. The nissan copy doesn't count. Or a malibu. But i can't do that either because there's no v-6 option. This is a mid-size car i and think you need the v-6 option.

3) Yet another hole: i would also consider an suv built on the colorado chassis. This would be ideal for me as it would offer some space and ok towing capacity and acceptable mpg: 5000-7000lbs. But of course, there is none.

So, i guess the new strategy is to just make suvs and trucks. And make the trucks as unappealing as possible.
 
imiceman44 said:
I have looked into this and combined gmc, Chevy blow Ford out of the water but that is not done because even Chevy and gmc are competing. Chevy most years beats gmc, and sometimes also Ford.
Dodge never comes close
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The Dodge ram is an ok truck however if it wasn't for the Cummins motor the ram would be nothing
 
campfire said:
Superduty trucks account for less than 30% of F-series sales. If you ignored every Superduty sale, Ford's 1/2-ton sales alone would still outnumber Chevy's 1/2-ton, 3/4-ton, and 1-ton sales combined. It's not just the axle, Chevy has not maintained relevance. I'm trying to think of any category that they dominate, and I'm coming up blank. That wasn't the case 30 years ago, they have slid far down the hill.
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Are those numbers accurate?

Where I stay(in New Orleans) I see almost a bunch of Chevy trucks along with the 2015 to current models as I do f150s and some f350s
 
P.S.
You better wake up and see that, YOU LET your wife, mother, sister, daughter (and her boyfriend) etc. win.

They beat you. And you let them.
 
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