went to the bone-yard today

[az ranger]

I went down looking for parts to do the 465 swap, I found a sm 465 out of an 83 1/2 4x4, I also found a 2wd 87 1 ton with pedal and hydro stuff for the clutch

Will I run into trouble with using a pre-hydrolic clutch transmission with with the stuff out of the 87?

Also, luckily for me the 465 still has the adapter to go to the 208 but I did not remember to measure the length. does anybody now how the length will compare to the length of my 700r4with 208.

If anybody is interested I also found a 14bff under the 87, and another sm465 pre 1981 with 10 spline output. I can get prices if anybody wants.

 

[dyeager535]

transmission doesn't care whether hydraulic or not.

Make sure to get the clutch fork too, that is different from mech.

 

[big83chevy4x4]

the 465 208 combo is the same length as a 700r4 208 combo

 

[pauly383]

the 465 208 combo is the same length as a 700r4 208 combo

Thats what I figured when I had my shaft out I compared it to my 4 speed shaft , and they were close ( my shaft is custom length )

 

[az ranger]

Thats what I figured when I had my shaft out I compared it to my 4 speed shaft , and they were close ( my shaft is custom length )

how close? will I have to do driveshaft mods? I no longer have the slip yoke either so it will have to be very close to fit properly. I also have a custom tom woods shaft that I will be using.

thanks for the replies

 

[R72K5]

wouldnt bellhousing differ from manual to hydraulic slave type ? how does slave attach to bell then ? on s-10s and such it is special casting and two threaded holes and a rectangle hole there for slave to sit on

not same for full size ??


hmm

learn me, as i have never seen an 86-up manual

thanks

 

[dyeager535]

Yes, hydraulic setups have a different bellhousing with an "ear" cast on them for the slave.

I think everyone assumes that the "setup" would include the bell, I know I did.

 

[az ranger]

Actually the tranny from the 83 did not have a bell housing, but I think the 2wd one that is in the 87 still does so I should be able to use that one.

he quoted me $250 for the tranny which is laying in the dirt, it still goes into all gears but I plan to rebuild it anyway for piece of mind.

he also told me $150 for all the clutch stuff I thought it seemed kind of high for just a few pieces and brackets and whatnot. what do you guys think?

 

[dyeager535]

I think $250 is way too much for a 465. How often do they fail? If they were in high demand, ok, but they aren't, because they last forever.

I wouldn't (and haven't) paid more than $50 for the ones I've picked up, which is lets see, 4 now. 2 32 spline 4wd versions, and 2 4wd 10 splines.

The 2wd is worthless to you if you didn't already know.

The pedals etc sound KIND of pricey, I'd rather pay $50 or so, since the pedals, fork, line from slave to master, and bellhousing are all you will probably be able to use.

The slave and master is about $100-150 new from Napa last I checked, and the situation with used masters/slaves is like the brake masters...if you need to bleed them, they will fail more often than not just from bleeding.

Did you try talking the guy down?

 

[pauly383]

My CV shaft is 1 inch longer approx , than my spare or my 4 speed shaft . Eyeballed by me about a month ago . I could measure for sure when the rains gone away

 

[Hossbaby50]

The 465/208 and the 700R4/208 setups are the same length, no differences. The driveshafts are the same lengths. You should not have to modify your driveshafts to fit with the 4speed setup.

I think $250 is to much for the tranny. If the $150 price is for the hydro setup that is not bad as long as it includes the bellhousing, slave cylinder, master cylinder, etc. If it doesn't then it is a waste of money.

Harley

 

[Seventy4Blazer]

transmission doesn't care whether hydraulic or not.

Make sure to get the clutch fork too, that is different from mech.

this isnt true. the mechanical BH bolts to the trans, the hydraulic bh bolts through the trans. you have to remove the threads on the x-msn and use a grinder to clearance out the bolt journals for the bolt heads to be installed. its a trial and error deal in my case. i didnt want to remove to much material, but i wanted to be able to use a socket. i found a thin wall socket and then made the journals big enough for it. then put the bolt in the hole and used the dremal to enlargen the area a bit for the socket on the bolt.

for removing the threads i had a reemer laying around and used it. they are half inch i belive.

the BH should be a hyd unit, BUT from advanced adaptors you can buy a bracket that will work with the mechanical unit for the slave cyl. this isnt the best idea in my eyes unless you have a cast iron BH from a mech unit.

i have a mechanical BH if you need, and can wait until i get home.
Grant