It seems like most people don't care what number we are. I've brought this up a few times in the off topic forum and I got a lot of replies like "We already know that this is the best site on the 'net, so why do we care if we rank number 1 on a voting site?" Personally, I'm too competitive to sit back and let "our" site lose to a bunch of sites with a lot fewer members than us. The Dodge guys use an auto vote system that you can enable when you sign up with them and every time you hit the dodge site, it sends a vote to the top 4X4 site, which just ignores the extra votes. Steve decided not to use that here, so I doubt that we'll ever catch the dodge guys, but there's no reason that we can't beat these other guys.