Whats up with my 14b ff? ...PICS

[midnitewarya]

Just pulled a 14b ff out of a '98 2500. Had a great time doing it because the rental guys where all out of pickups and I had to haul it in a minivan, much less a Ford minivan...

Now, hear is what I think I know:

I have a Series 2 14b that has a ribbed case and a different hub design. The new design is supposed to make it so you don't have to press out the wheel studs to get the drum by itself. This design is supposed to have a hub that isn't machined flat on the back, therefore I can't put on disk brakes.

Also, the bearings in the hub need to be pressed out and in to change them.

OK, here is what I discovered starting my rebuild...

The hub bearings are rattling all over the place, they were loose as soon as I started unscrewing the 6-point star bolt that gos around the yoke (it wasn't very tight at all either)

As soon I got the drums off, I noticed the drums were full of fluid, it looks like gear oil leaked around the seals and got into the drums.

Now this is what is confusing me the most, my drums were attached to the hubs by pressed on studs! I though it wan't supposed to be that way on a Series 2 14b ff! And the hubs are flat on the back, it looks like it would be no problem putting disks on it!

So here are my questions,

Am I right about the style of hubs/drums?

If I have earlier hubs/drums on a later axle, will that screw up some sort of alignment and cause the gear oil to leak into the drums?

This is kind of a dumb question at this point.... What is the difference of putting a series 2 14b on a '91 K5 from a series 1?

I have looked all over for some sort of answer, but I couldn't find anything on it. Looks like I'm another dread 14b ff poster....

Al


The Minivan...

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Another shot...

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The Axle...

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The drum, hub with axle out...

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The bare yoke...

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The drums...

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And the hubs.

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Any ideas?

 

[mrk5]

Another shot...

The Axle...

The drum, hub with axle out...

The bare yoke...

The drums...

And the hubs.

Fixed it

 

[midnitewarya]

Thanks

Thanks for the fix, it was drvin me nuts...

Arrr

 

[tRustyK5]

Aws far as I can tell you have the earlier style brakes. IIRC the newer style brakes the drum slips off like a SF diff.

It probably just needs new seals and some disk brakes. It looks just like my 14 bolt did when apart.

Rene

 

[u2slow]

The 13x2.5" drums never came in a slide-off configuration on the 14ff... even right through to 98/99 or so.

If that axle was from a K2500 Burb, or 1-ton SRW, it would have the 13x3.5" slide off drums.... and then you'd be screwed for the cheap/easy disc brake conversion.

 

[Zeus33rd]

God damn...

How the hell did you get that heavy pig into that little ass car?

 

[muddybuddy]

looks like the spring plates are 1ton width. how much did u pick it up for?

 

[HarryH3]

Hmm, so the 14-bolt by itself wasn't heavy enough? I've always moved them without the tires and wheels attached.

 

[originalspanksta]

The spring plates are late model (ifs truck) width, about 3-4 " wider than k5 width. 73-87 width perches wouold go right about in the middle of the bump pads you see right to the inside of the spring perches.

 

[trollporter]

I've been thinking of going to disc also. Why would he be screwed for the conversion. Mine looks just like that and it came out of a '96 SRW 3500.

troy

The 13x2.5" drums never came in a slide-off configuration on the 14ff... even right through to 98/99 or so.

If that axle was from a K2500 Burb, or 1-ton SRW, it would have the 13x3.5" slide off drums.... and then you'd be screwed for the cheap/easy disc brake conversion.

 

[badfish4tail]

God damn...

How the hell did you get that heavy pig into that little ass car?

I was thinking that also

 

[midnitewarya]

Suprisingly getting it in wanst so hard, the yard had an engine hoist. All I had to do was roll it over to the hoist, jack it up, and back it in. Getting it out sucked. I ended up using a come-a-long to pull it out.

In all, it cost me $250. Susposedly it only had 27,000 miles on it, but after finding gear oil in the drums, I have my dounts.

Al

 

[u2slow]

I've been thinking of going to disc also. Why would he be screwed for the conversion. Mine looks just like that and it came out of a '96 SRW 3500.
troy

The hubs used for the slde-off drum arent machined flat on the backside.

I don't recall what forum it was on, but somebody tried to swap hubs on a slide-off drum housing, and found the housing end (spindle) has a different bearing spacing.

 

[Brocky]

Man you are a trooper. Bringing that home in a mini van. But you got it is all that matters. And I was complaining about putting them in the back of the K5.

 

[midnitewarya]

Rephrase of question...

Ok, from what I am hearing, it sounds like my hubs are from another, earlier, axle. Is this true? If they are from an earlier axle, will they fit properly on this second gen axle?

Yeah, loading and unloading the pig mostly sucked, but I least I have it now, and that broke old 10 bolt day's are numbered!

Al

 

[txfiremank5]

You should be able to run disc's if you want. I have a 14 that has the rib's and it too has the "older" style of hubs.

 

[u2slow]

Ok, from what I am hearing, it sounds like my hubs are from another, earlier, axle. Is this true? If they are from an earlier axle, will they fit properly on this second gen axle?

You said the axle is a '98 K2500 right? Nothing about the pic suggests otherwise. The only difference between your hubs and a 73-87ish ones are the metric wheel studs.

The ribbed center section only means it was built after what?... 89? (I forget the exact cutoff). That feature alone does not identify the body style, application, SRW/ DRW, or width.

If there's anything odd, its the slide-off-drum variant of the SRW 14FF... which has unique hubs, and (from 2nd hand info) shorter spindles. These came in 92+ K2500 Burbs (w/454 or 6.5TD) and 1-ton SRWs.

 

[midnitewarya]

Hey everyone,

I think I got it all worked out. I couldn't have done it without ck5.com. I now know that the only axles that had the slide off drums were the 3500s and 3/4 burbans and that I am okay. I was worried about the hubs because, like I said, the drums were full of gear oil and the bearings were loose when I took the hubs off. Probably just a crappy rebuild.

I'll keep this post updated as the rebuild goes, so that if anyone else gets confused like I did, we all won't have to go through this again. Up next I have to finish cutting and moving the spring/shock mounts. Which reminds me... anyone happen to know off hand the correct angle to weld the spring mounts on with a 6" lift on a '91 K5? And does anyone knwo how to weld?

Anyway, I'll keep this updated with new pics and stuff.

Al