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Where the deuce is WMS??

When I opened up this thread the WMS ad was at the top of the page.:doah: :D
 
81jimmyslt said:
I ordered some of there fairleads about two months ago and received them no problem. But now I'm confused because they are ATOR 4x4 fairleads. When I purchased them from WMS they said they had left over stock from consolidating their ATOR department whatever that meant. So he was secretly moving his shop, changing his name or what? It seems there are a series of lies being told here.
from what i remeber reading, WMS bought ATOR out, then i guess the owner of WMS sold WMS to who it seems everyone is having problems with. im guessing the original owner of WMS started ATOR back up as it wasn't part of the sale of WMS.

i hope you can understand what i said, i just confused myself
 
Leper said:
No, but they would promise to be there tomorrow.
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: That they would......:haha: :haha: :haha: I can hear it now, "Sure, C'mon up here and we'll take care of ya. It was completely our fault. Here's our address. Of course we'll be there!" ASSHOLES!
 
big83chevy4x4 said:
from what i remeber reading, WMS bought ATOR out, then i guess the owner of WMS sold WMS to who it seems everyone is having problems with. im guessing the original owner of WMS started ATOR back up as it wasn't part of the sale of WMS.

i hope you can understand what i said, i just confused myself


Soooo...... I guess my WMS gear set ( that had a hell of a breakage warranty ) is no longer worth the promise that was given.......Thank goodness the parts and workmanship look top notch !
This is a shame because I really liked dealing with Casey - he answered all of my questions in depth and with great detail. I am glad I stepped up before all this went down.

So sad .....
Tom
 
That is what is confusing the hell out of me. They have been around OK for a very long time and were doing some really cool rock crawling stuff before I ever heard about it. If ATOR is the old owners and they are selling their stuff I might interested in talking to them, but I would have to do some serious searchin.
 
I'm not 100% sure whats going on either... but the guy in Tulsa (keith?) posted over on pirate. His screen name is ator-something-something. At any rate, he said 'PM/phone me and I'll make things right'. I PM'd him 2 days ago... no response yet. I'm gonna start calling 5 times a day if I don't hear back from him soon. I have long periods at work with nothing to do, I can sit there and phonering the guy to death if I have to. All I know is that he has my doublers intermediate shaft... and if I don't get it back, and soon, I'm gonna be forkin pissed. :mad:

j
 
Man, could you just imagine running off with a bunch of peoples money like that. You know he has to have gone and spent the money already because if he had it, he would have returned it by now.
 
koldsimer said:
Exactly. That's why i'm intersted to see the thread on pirate. I've been looking for it and can't find it.

i found one a while back about a guy that ordered an input shaft and it was the wrong length and spline count so they promised to send him a new one and pay for the shipping of the old one back. product never arrived i think over a period of a month or so. guy kept contacign them and finally gave up and had to pay for a random shaft he coudlnt use and have a local shop custom make him one $$$
 
jekbrown said:
I'm not 100% sure whats going on either... but the guy in Tulsa (keith?) posted over on pirate. His screen name is ator-something-something. At any rate, he said 'PM/phone me and I'll make things right'. I PM'd him 2 days ago... no response yet. I'm gonna start calling 5 times a day if I don't hear back from him soon. I have long periods at work with nothing to do, I can sit there and phonering the guy to death if I have to. All I know is that he has my doublers intermediate shaft... and if I don't get it back, and soon, I'm gonna be forkin pissed. :mad:

j
His name is Keith and he goes by ATORBUGGY over on pirate. H'ell make things right.... good luck with that man. He told me that at least 10 times. After about the third time of him flat out lying to me, he asked me what he could do to make it right. I asked him to be honest with me and any other customers that he deals with. That's exactly what I said because that's all I wanted. He promised me that he would make it right on this order and anything else I ever needed. Over the next few days, I would ask him for tracking numbers- he would give me numbers that didn't exist. He would promise me that he would overnight it the next day- still don't have my locker. I sincerely hope you get your part back soon jekbrown but I have no confidence in Keiths ethics or honesty at this point. What kind of guy would do this to us? We were his customers and wheeling brothers. I can't help but take it personally when some asshole rips me off. I hope I never meet Keith.
 
I tell you what, if someone can actually get a good address from them, lets go up there.
 
I'm sorry guys :(

WMS bought ATOR out, then when WMS started to disband, the original owner from ATOR was going to buy it out. I guess that didn't work, and now ATOR has reopened on their own. Kinda.

For those that want to know, they are on 51st street between Mingo and Garnet in Tulsa, OK.

81jimmySLT, the fairleads that you got, were part of the ATOR Stock that was purchased in the ATOR buyout by WMS.

The details I have are few and far between. I feel bad, because I feel that I am partly responsible for your having dealt with this group. I brought them here, kinda like brining the snake into the henhouse, I just didn't know it was a snake :( I wish I could make it right, but due to me severing ties, and my attorney adviseing against it, I'll not be having any contact with the individuals any more :(

Sorry. Really. This whole ordeal has just about spoiled me from wheelin' as a whole. As for you guys that see the banner and cringe, now you know how I feel. I got took too :(

KP
 
I doubt that anyone has any hard feelings for you. You have been honest and upfront, where most would have just stayed out of the thread.
 
Seriously Kyle, you have helped me beyond belief with this whole cluster****. If you ever start slangin' parts, i'll be the first to order from you.
 
Kyle89K5 said:
I'm sorry guys :(

WMS bought ATOR out, then when WMS started to disband, the original owner from ATOR was going to buy it out. I guess that didn't work, and now ATOR has reopened on their own. Kinda.

For those that want to know, they are on 51st street between Mingo and Garnet in Tulsa, OK.

81jimmySLT, the fairleads that you got, were part of the ATOR Stock that was purchased in the ATOR buyout by WMS.

The details I have are few and far between. I feel bad, because I feel that I am partly responsible for your having dealt with this group. I brought them here, kinda like brining the snake into the henhouse, I just didn't know it was a snake :( I wish I could make it right, but due to me severing ties, and my attorney adviseing against it, I'll not be having any contact with the individuals any more :(

Sorry. Really. This whole ordeal has just about spoiled me from wheelin' as a whole. As for you guys that see the banner and cringe, now you know how I feel. I got took too :(

KP

I will second what readymix said, I dont blame you for what they have done.

I think its really sad that this **** happens. 1st M.O.O. then this.
No, Im not comparing the 2 its just both had great parts that no one else offers.
I hope someone will step up & continue the 3 to 1 for the 203's.
I wished I would have gotten one awhile back.

Oh well.
 
I heard a rumor that MOO and WMS were actually going to combine their shops and make a comeback.......


Perhaps at www.MOOWMS.com :haha:




In all seriousness though, I do feel better about owning a 3.1:1 WMS box now....even though all it's been doing for me is collecting dust for about the last 2 years!!!! Geez, do you think these will become "collectable"????? :thinking:
 

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