Why couldn't GM do like Ford did????

[m j]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

your post is not factual
the rods on a 400 are different length then the other small blocks
the rod journals were changed from the early stuff to the late stuff
the intake manifold bolt angles were changed from the early to late stuff

there are a ton of things that need to be addressed to swap amongst the SBC engines

Fords are no different.
the 302 has smaller main bearings then any of the larger displacement engines but if you cut the mains down you can, and it was very common, put a 351 crank into a 302 block
it is the basis of the 347 stroker but the aftermarket has stepped up to provide a crank so it isnt done anymore, same as 383 chev strokers have an aftermarket.
Ford 400 has a 4" stroke, also uses basically the same bottom end as a 351C, so a 4" stroker 351 is pretty easy.
add the stock heads are miles better then anything chevy ever put on a small block...

Ford now sells a 393+ stroker kit for 351W that use stock 351W rods, stock 302 pistons and a 3.85 stroke crank.

anyway, the point is that if you open your eyes and learn a bit they are all the same.
you learn what goes and what doesnt
most of the stuff that makes sense if easy you only get into trouble when you want to do oddball stuff that shouldn't really be done anyhow

 

[Rolled]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

This thread is pure blasphemy.

All you pro Ford supporters should have your CK5 account suspended for a week to give you time to think about it /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

 

[zeroz400]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

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400 problem is compression and cam, they have bigger valves and ports then any SBC factory installed


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Oversized ports and valves can actually be a bad thing. The air can't cant fill the cylinder at low rpms and kills low rpm power. That is the big problem with the cleveland/modified ford motors. This thread is getting a little rediculous /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif


Later

 

[m j]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

if it is such a "problem" why do chevy guys do everything they can to have the rulebook ban the C motors?

didya notice 6 of the top 10 engines in PHR EMC were Fords?
#1 was 351C based including a stock production block.

no one seems to complain about the low end power of a 396 or a 402 chev which use heads about the same as the low performance 351C/351M/400 (2.04 intake valves)

 

[Z3PR]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

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This thread is pure blasphemy.

All you pro Ford supporters should have your CK5 account suspended for a week to give you time to think about it /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

[/ QUOTE ] I was wondering what the heck was going on with all the pro ford anti chevy talk going on, on a chevy 4x4 website. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[m j]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

broadening the mind

 

[hi pinion]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

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Yeah. Having the distributor right on the front of the engine was pure genius..... /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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i dont know, but this is my engine in my little mustang....i love the distributer like that.Easyeer to reach. BTW this 351 HAULS ASS, and its not far off from stock /forums/images/graemlins/thinking.gif its my first ford, because the stang was the only thing they ever made that i liked, but this 351 has tons of tourqe, and i beat ricers all day long in this car /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif just my thoughts. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

 

[GM Man]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

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This thread is pure blasphemy.

All you pro Ford supporters should have your CK5 account suspended for a week to give you time to think about it /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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Some people just love to be a cheerleader for brand x! /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

 

[hi pinion]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

GO FORD GO /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

 

[bigyellowjimmy]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

Hey Plumber....looks like you choose to keep the fuel injection /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif

good call.

 

[hi pinion]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

Yeah . I want a deisel. M1008 ,so if anyone has one, let me know......hijack off/forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif

 

[atho]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

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Why is it that GM has like a millon ways of mounting a transfer case to a tranny and a millon spline counts /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Today I sold a 78 Ford NP 205 to a friend of Mine. He has a 96 ZF 5 speed that We bolted it right up to. All that was needed was to make a small notch on the tailshaft for one of the shifter rails. There wasn't even an adapter between the tranny and transfer case. Ford got it right when they used 31 spline shafts and a round bolt patterns.
Why don't We have it that easy /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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Amen! I hate my 10 spline 465/205 setup. The old rockwell t-case and the tranny ate 1 adapter sleeve, which in itself is the gayest thing GM ever made (the sleeve not the rockwell which wasnt made by GM but I digress), then the 205's sleeve was shot as well, I only have one nice one left. 32 spline is hard to find and $$ /forums/images/graemlins/angryfire.gif

 

[FRIZZLEFRY]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

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All you pro Ford supporters should have your CK5 account suspended for a week to give you time to think about it /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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Why dont you start a post with a poll asking what CK5ers tow their Chevys with and get back to us? You would be surprised /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif Ford is good /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And for the record,I own 4 Fords /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

 

[FRIZZLEFRY]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

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broadening the mind

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I was gonna pick this thread apart and address all this bogus Ford info but it looks looks you got it handled /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif

 

[sled_dog]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

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The one thing Chevy did better than Ford was the V8 engine.



Chevy: Adjustable Rocker Arms

Ford: Non-Adjustable

Chevy: Water Pump connected directly to block with four bolts

Ford: Connected to timing chain cover with 10 bolts (and it still leaks)

Chevy: Oil pump connected to rear main cap with 9/16 diameter shaft

Ford: Connected to timing chain cover with 3/8 diameter hex shaft

Chevy: Tin steel pan Timing chain cover

Ford: Cast iron timing chain cover

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From a racing stand point I may disagree a little. Ford 302 blocks blow. Seen more than one mustang sitting rusting away thanks to a nice hole in a block. Ford and Chevy both have their weaknesses and strong points. I look forward to working on my sister's new Mustang(early 90s style with 302). Not cause I like Fords, I have no experience with them other than a High Pinion 60(which I have and will be puting in a Chevy!). I know in the Circle track racing(Dirt Modifieds) I deal with Ford motors make more HP than Chevy motors. These are small blocks with a 358 bore limit. /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, Chevy has its weak points. Of course Ford has more (/forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif). I think from a whats best standpoint, not whats Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Nissan, whatever. Thus the High Pinion going in my rig. Oh but here is one thing Chevy definetally did better, stronger knuckles from the factory on a 60.

 

[K5MONSTERCHEV]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

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what Chev parts do Ford guys use?



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try to find a 40's ford hot rod with a ford engine and tranny in it, rare breed, and if they do have ford stuff more than likley they will have a corvette rear end

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Thats what im sayin. Im surprised no ones said anyhting about the TTB.

 

[Corey 78K5]

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Amen! I hate my 10 spline 465/205 setup. The old rockwell t-case and the tranny ate 1 adapter sleeve, which in itself is the gayest thing GM ever made (the sleeve not the rockwell which wasnt made by GM but I digress), then the 205's sleeve was shot as well, I only have one nice one left. 32 spline is hard to find and $$


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Someone see's the point I am trying to make.
Yeah GM had a 32 spline NP 205 but it was only avalible behind the TH400 and only for a few years.
Lest see GM had how many mounting patterns and how many spline counts? Ford had the round mounting pattern and 31 spline shafts. We wont even mention driver or passenger side t-cases /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

 

[1-ton]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

If you go to any race track in America on a Friday or Saturday night, whether it is 1/8 mile concrete, dirt track, or 1/4 mile drag strip, 90% of the engines you will find are chevy's. There is a reason for this. I do have to say that the Ford 9" differentail does rule in racing applications.

 

[atho]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

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Someone see's the point I am trying to make.
Yeah GM had a 32 spline NP 205 but it was only avalible behind the TH400 and only for a few years.
Lest see GM had how many mounting patterns and how many spline counts? Ford had the round mounting pattern and 31 spline shafts. We wont even mention driver or passenger side t-cases /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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Actually the 465/205 was 32 spline from 85-91, and all th400/205s are 32 spline, but theyre still hard as crap to find. Its my biggest complaint.

 

[m j]

Re: Why couldn\'t GM do like Ford did????

yeah there is a reason
the rulebook has outlawed the Fords because they are an unfair advantage
if you were a Ford guy you would be able to see the rule that cripples your race program.
you should have seen the ones imposed on the 351C guys trying to enter the PHR Enginemasters challenge, they were willing to do anything to get a chevy to win.
you could run a Rodeck SBC block and Brodix heads but to run any 351C heads you had to use a factory Ford production block and they were even trying to disallow Australian built blocks in to the point of uninviting a Pantera Engine builder who pointed out that the 351W was a Canadian casting and against the 'USA only' rule they were imposing on his Aussie motor