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Why Propane ??

How do I know what parts to buy for my truck? Obviously different set ups will flow differently, so what should I put on a small block 350? I have heard that the power loss can be compensated by running the dual set up, what do you think about this?
Would you buy the items separately, or buy it in a package on line?

Oh and don’t every one go do this at once because you will drive the price of parts up! hahahaha
 
I have it and I love........


I love it for this truck have been useing it for years straight LPG.......I daily drive a 24v cummins. This truck used to be my daily driver though before I yanked it fron the road to make it a dedicated wheeler.


100 gal tank. Impco 425, model E, VFF-30 pretty standard for SBC sized stuff. Smaller Impco mixers like the 300 and down for smaller engines. Couple OHG 450 mixers for a BBC or a big single custom mixer for high flow from a single mixer. This junk is all over here in Calgary anyways, I have 2 complete systems right now, got both for less than $50. Tank was free. Yes the system needs a Cert. sticker, in order to fill at a filling station. Tanks need cert as well every X number of years.

theres some truths and theres some misconceptions floating around. Propane AKA LPG (liquid petroleum gas) is totally the same in your BBQ tank or forklift or taxi or truck. it is 110 octane. it is a dry fuel and burns hotter than gasoline. Your valves, when run on LPG, turn into hot little grinders. with no lubrication from the gasseous fuel entering the head, or the searing gasses leaving the combustion chamber., the valve turns slightly everytime it closes making a nice little grinder.

LPG liquid is drawn from the tank, it is converted to gas in the vaporizer (conveniently named). converting liquid propane to gasseous propane is an endothermic reaction. which is why if the coolant is not properly plumbed to the vaproizer or there is insufficient flow through it, you will ice it up solid. but then you thaw it and off you go, no permanent damage. The tank is a liquid fill as well, from the filling station. yes it will freeze your skin if you get a direct prolonged blast. wear long sleeves and leather gloves when filling and working with connecting and disconnecting lines. You need a cheater hose to draw LPG from a 20lb BBQ bottle or 100lb or whatever you use as a "jerry can". Because it is pressurized fuel it will transfer fuel on its own from the 20 pounder to the vehicle tank UNTILL the pressures in both tanks equalize, then fuel transfer stops. Unless you have a booster pump, but that is not likely. so you're driving along and run out of LPG, you hook the 20 pounder up with the cheater, hold it higher than the main tank, upside down even. then open the valves, you might get about half the 20 into it. you drive some more run out again. repeat process, you might get a remaining 25% out of the tank. drive repeat, drive repeat.....until both tanks are exhausted.......then you're fubar.

timeing needs adjusting, recurve the distributor faster advance. 11.5:1 is a nice CR for burning LPG.

As far as safety as someone was conserned about, it very safe when installed correctly. The fuel lines for liquid fuel are steel braid, not an external braid like brake lines, its more like a steel belted radial tire. The steel sleeve is contained within the rubber. Very difficult to damage. There is a shutoff valve on the tank, turn it off if you have an open flame, but run like hell if the vehicle is on fire and heating the tank it will crater the ground when it goes.

LPG liquid will not convert to gas at ambient temps lower than -40c.

there is more if you want.


This is what my '80 looked like for years, bagged out 350 straight LPG, sm465. Daily driving in the city I filled the tanks torpedo frame rail tanks, every 3rd week. You can see the yellow plastic fill cap under the body line.
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ditched those torpedo tanks in favor of this bigass 100 gal to feed the 454.
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So what happens to my valves over a period of time?
I'm not sure if I understand one thing......Does the propane burn as a gas by itself, or is there air in the cylinder?
Also what mixer should I use for my Small block 350? I see you use a 425.
 
the valves and seats, if they're not hardened, will grind themselves to death in the dry heat. Its the exhaust valves that burn up. stellite valves are a good high heat material. its propane gas and air in the cylinder, just like gasoline and air. The mixer does that. Impco 425 or over the hilll gang (OHG) 450 single mixer is just fine for a small block, even a stock big block. If you go to use dual mixers, don't use that stupid 2 into 1 adapter. Get a proper dual quad intake manifold.
 
I was told the valves might be an issue if you drive it a lot, like a DD. The guy said the mileage my truck sees, ≈3000miles/year; it would be years before I noticed any issues.
 
mrk5 said:
I was told the valves might be an issue if you drive it a lot, like a DD. The guy said the mileage my truck sees, ≈3000miles/year; it would be years before I noticed any issues.


i have never had this problem not that it wouldnt be a good idea i will definatley do it when i build my LPG 454 but my vavles are fine and ive been running it for years.
 
For sure theres an air cleaner on it, it looks almost like a gas carb. Theres about 3 moving parts in a mixer, and a diaphram. I'll go take a picture of the one sitting on my garage floor.


And just this afternoon I noticed prices while filling my diesel (90.0c per L) propane (46.9c per L) and reg gasoline (103.9c per L)

So LPG is 60% cheaper than gas here in Calgary right now, which it usually is at least 50%. In the early - mid 90's it was around 26c liter.
 
this is an Impco 425 next to your standard pos carb.....

the circular spacer is what the air cleaner sits on, it goes over the top with a little gasket.

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I just installed propane on my chevy 350. I used the 450 mixer. It’s running like crap! I tried timing it but that didn’t really help. It has no power. Can anyone who installed propane on there truck help me? I'm 30 min north of Dallas if anyone is close by.
 
well, i know the temp in our area has dropped significantly in the last few days, but it's still mid-90s, so maybe the air is just too hot to properly combust a 110 octane fuel. but, i'm no propane expert.

maybe swap some ignition stuff, like hotter plugs and a stronger coil?
 
I know everyone was worried but dont. I got my truck running good on propane. I love it!
 
I used to have an 82 K5 that was full time propane. CAme like that from the factory. It had a dinky 85 litre double tank set up jammed between the frame in place of the regular gas tank. With the 80% filling allowed by law it only gave me 68 litres of fuel. High way range was about 220 to 240 km. I managed to go to BC and back in this thing from Toronto. Had to stop for gas every two hours. Got a cheater hose made for it at a tow motor shop. 'Borrowed' a 100 litre tank as back up but didn't end up using it. I had lots of power and it only screwed up once when I read some where that colder spark plugs were better so I put in a set that was two heat ranges colder and it wouldn't start on cold days. Only problem I ever had with it. Truck ended up rotting around the whole system. Parked it for five years and it fired right up! I guess a suburban would be better cause you could get bigger tanks on it. Not really worth it any more though since the prices are now around 50 to 60 cents a litre.
 
Well.... its some time later.....and I am still running propane. I can say without a doubt it is the best mod I have made to my truck. My friends will have nothing to do with me because I talk about how much I love propane. King of the Hill is now my fav show.
Thanks for all your help guys!
If anyone has any questions about pane let me know.
 
I just got a OHG X-450, with a X-1 mixer with tank for $80. My project this summer is convert to straight propane. The tank I have is 100L, it should just fit up in between the frame rails of my K5. It's not a daily driver, so what the hell, propane here is $1.75 G, gas is $4.20 G, do the math. Hopefully no issues with the install, I'll post questions or results when I'm done.
 
Summer Project? It should just take the weekend. I wouldnt mount the tank underneath because you have to take the tank in and out to be able to fill it. PROPANE IS $3.00 a gallon in Dallas TX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek1::mad: SUCKS!!!!!!!!! Good luck man, you will love being able to idle upside down!
 

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