Why There Are No Diesel Suburbans Along With The Escalade And Yukon XL?

[blackandgold51]

Due to the general public that wants fuel economy out of today's SUVs why cannot Chevy along with GMC , and Cadillac start making diesel SUVs at a response price?

20 to 25 mpg out of an suv.

Rather than just have pickup trucks with diesels

 

[Fastereddie]

Cause we don’t all the damn soccer moms clogging up the diesel pumps with their asses. It’s bad enough when they clog up the only two diesel pumps at the station when there is 8 other gas only ones available. That’s why! Lol

 

[blackandgold51]

Cause we don’t all the damn soccer moms clogging up the diesel pumps with their asses. It’s bad enough when they clog up the only two diesel pumps at the station when there is 8 other gas only ones available. That’s why! Lol

Speaking of that, that make me wonder why there is enough diesel pumps when there's now a bunch of trucks with diesels out there along with diesel sedans like Volkswagen

 

[diesel4me]

Cause we don’t all the damn soccer moms clogging up the diesel pumps with their asses. It’s bad enough when they clog up the only two diesel pumps at the station when there is 8 other gas only ones available. That’s why! Lol

Yeah,just what we need--more women DIESEL truck drivers!.....

Honestly,I think you'd need a diesel that got 30 mpg,to make it worthwhile,otherwise the higher cost of diesel kills any "savings"..here its always at least 50 cents more a gallon than gasoline..also any repairs always cost you much more on a diesel,and oil changes even cost more..the "economy" of owning a diesel is largely a myth unless your driving a VW Beetle or Golf,Jetta,or have a farm tractor with one in it..

I saw a nice diesel older Ford 7.3 pickup in a salvage yard being unloaded off a ramp truck a few weeks ago,the guy who had it towed there was talking to the owner about selling it to the yard for "parts only"..
He explained "I let my wife drive it to work in Boston,and she decided to stop and get GAS.!..not diesel!..she filled it from 1/4 tank to full,and drove it 50 miles home,when she got there it was rapping and smoking blue out the exhaust bad!.....next day it wouldn't crank turn over when he went to go to work!....he assumes the engine is seized,junk..
Owner of the salvage yard said he'd sell him a good used engine for $750,but it had 200,000+ miles on it..when I left,the truck owner was still trying to decide if he should fix it or scrap it..his truck had over 200K on it too,but looked to be rust free..

 

[blackandgold51]

Yeah,just what we need--more women DIESEL truck drivers!.....

Honestly,I think you'd need a diesel that got 30 mpg,to make it worthwhile,otherwise the higher cost of diesel kills any "savings"..here its always at least 50 cents more a gallon than gasoline..also any repairs always cost you much more on a diesel,and oil changes even cost more..the "economy" of owning a diesel is largely a myth unless your driving a VW Beetle or Golf,Jetta,or have a farm tractor with one in it..

I saw a nice diesel older Ford 7.3 pickup in a salvage yard being unloaded off a ramp truck a few weeks ago,the guy who had it towed there was talking to the owner about selling it to the yard for "parts only"..
He explained "I let my wife drive it to work in Boston,and she decided to stop and get GAS.!..not diesel!..she filled it from 1/4 tank to full,and drove it 50 miles home,when she got there it was rapping and smoking blue out the exhaust bad!.....next day it wouldn't crank turn over when he went to go to work!....he assumes the engine is seized,junk..
Owner of the salvage yard said he'd sell him a good used engine for $750,but it had 200,000+ miles on it..when I left,the truck owner was still trying to decide if he should fix it or scrap it..his truck had over 200K on it too,but looked to be rust free..

Where is that truck? I'll get it

 

[diesel4me]

Probably in the salvage yard or the crusher by now,if the owner didn't decide to fix it I assume..

 

[ZooMad75]

They did sell Diesel Suburbans.... Or did we block that out of our collective memory? The manufacturers will build what is going to sell. Let's take a look back. GM got out of the Diesel Sub game at the end of the GMT400 run, the GMT800 burbs/yukon xl got the 8.1 as the big dog for towing, no Dirtymax. Ford attempted to take advantage by offering the Powerstroke Excursion. While I don't have any production numbers to prove my point, Ford stopped building the Excursion altogether. So they picked up a little slice of sales that GM gave away, but ended up killing it for multiple reasons, but low sales volume was probably one of them. Plus it's nuts to build two separate fullsize SUV's in the Excursion and Expedition. Funny how once Ford stopped that, the Expedition got a Suburban-esqe length version.

Right now a 5.3 equipped Suburban can get 23mpg on the highway already. So the need to get a couple mpg better for all the BS that diesel adds to the mix makes the need less cost effective.

It's going to really come down to how the 2019 Silverado 1/2 ton sells with the little diesel. The biggest issue is the emissions garbage modern diesels are stuck with. Proof to that point: 2018 Colorado, the v-6 gas version gets 22 city/30 mpg highway and the diesel version gets 20 city/28 mpg city. Two miles per gallon less across the board for the little diesel. Why? Emissions. EGR, Cat converter and Diesel particulate filter. All the advantages that allowed diesels to get better power AND fuel economy have been wiped out with the emissions equipment. Sure they still get better power, but the fuel mileage isn't what it could be. Sure that stuff can get deleted after the fact and void the warranty or just create havoc since there are so many hacks out there trying to alter the PCM calibrations to not look for the emissions stuff.

If the 19 Silverado goes nuts on sales with the diesel you might see it, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

 

[blackandgold51]

Yeah,just what we need--more women DIESEL truck drivers!.....

Honestly,I think you'd need a diesel that got 30 mpg,to make it worthwhile,otherwise the higher cost of diesel kills any "savings"..here its always at least 50 cents more a gallon than gasoline..also any repairs always cost you much more on a diesel,and oil changes even cost more..the "economy" of owning a diesel is largely a myth unless your driving a VW Beetle or Golf,Jetta,or have a farm tractor with one in it..

I saw a nice diesel older Ford 7.3 pickup in a salvage yard being unloaded off a ramp truck a few weeks ago,the guy who had it towed there was talking to the owner about selling it to the yard for "parts only"..
He explained "I let my wife drive it to work in Boston,and she decided to stop and get GAS.!..not diesel!..she filled it from 1/4 tank to full,and drove it 50 miles home,when she got there it was rapping and smoking blue out the exhaust bad!.....next day it wouldn't crank turn over when he went to go to work!....he assumes the engine is seized,junk..
Owner of the salvage yard said he'd sell him a good used engine for $750,but it had 200,000+ miles on it..when I left,the truck owner was still trying to decide if he should fix it or scrap it..his truck had over 200K on it too,but looked to be rust free..

Here in New Orleans diesel is around

They did sell Diesel Suburbans.... Or did we block that out of our collective memory? The manufacturers will build what is going to sell. Let's take a look back. GM got out of the Diesel Sub game at the end of the GMT400 run, the GMT800 burbs/yukon xl got the 8.1 as the big dog for towing, no Dirtymax. Ford attempted to take advantage by offering the Powerstroke Excursion. While I don't have any production numbers to prove my point, Ford stopped building the Excursion altogether. So they picked up a little slice of sales that GM gave away, but ended up killing it for multiple reasons, but low sales volume was probably one of them. Plus it's nuts to build two separate fullsize SUV's in the Excursion and Expedition. Funny how once Ford stopped that, the Expedition got a Suburban-esqe length version.

Right now a 5.3 equipped Suburban can get 23mpg on the highway already. So the need to get a couple mpg better for all the BS that diesel adds to the mix makes the need less cost effective.

It's going to really come down to how the 2019 Silverado 1/2 ton sells with the little diesel. The biggest issue is the emissions garbage modern diesels are stuck with. Proof to that point: 2018 Colorado, the v-6 gas version gets 22 city/30 mpg highway and the diesel version gets 20 city/28 mpg city. Two miles per gallon less across the board for the little diesel. Why? Emissions. EGR, Cat converter and Diesel particulate filter. All the advantages that allowed diesels to get better power AND fuel economy have been wiped out with the emissions equipment. Sure they still get better power, but the fuel mileage isn't what it could be. Sure that stuff can get deleted after the fact and void the warranty or just create havoc since there are so many hacks out there trying to alter the PCM calibrations to not look for the emissions stuff.

If the 19 Silverado goes nuts on sales with the diesel you might see it, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

I remember the Excursion. It had a 7.3 and 6.0.

I think that Ford at the time was like if you want a half ton get the Expedition, while a 3/4 ton get the Excursion.

And I think it is bs that the emissions stuff was put on diesels , .....isn't diesel motors supposed to be clean than gas engines?

 

[ZooMad75]

Here in New Orleans diesel is around

I remember the Excursion. It had a 7.3 and 6.0.

I think that Ford at the time was like if you want a half ton get the Expedition, while a 3/4 ton get the Excursion.

And I think it is bs that the emissions stuff was put on diesels , .....isn't diesel motors supposed to be clean than gas engines?

Diesels are far from clean.

 

[Blue85]

I think GM considers that big towing will only happen with pickups.

For GMT800 series, the Allison doesn't fit under the floor. The Duraburb company fixes this with a "raked" body lift (front is up a couple inches, back is stock). The 8.1L 'Burb and 'Lance got 4L80/5-E. Obviously they could have fixed that for the GMT900+, but I don't think they did. The cozy low floor height is more important to SUV buyers I guess. Every 5 years or so there are rumors of a Baby Duramax that would even go in 1/2-tons, but that can seems to always get kicked down the road.

If you go back to the 6.5L TD Suburbans, they didn't really get better mileage than current 5.3L DoD models. They may be better at towing, but that kind of noise and smell wouldn't be popular with current SUV buyers.

Honestly I kind of think warranty claims from putting gas in a diesel truck are also on their radar. It's almost backwards that the diesel nozzle is bigger. Putting diesel in a gas truck won't really ruin it.

 

[Chevy305]

They are redesigning the Tahoes/Subs for 2020, I'll be surprised if they don't offer some alternative power trains like the new Silverados or at least something other than the 5.3. Specifically, the new turbo 4 cyl. They SHOULD offer the diesel I6 too but I'm doubting that. There really isn't a ton of room under the Tahoes and Subs for a DEF tank especially when the switch to IRS.

 

[ZooMad75]

They are redesigning the Tahoes/Subs for 2020, I'll be surprised if they don't offer some alternative power trains like the new Silverados or at least something other than the 5.3. Specifically, the new turbo 4 cyl. They SHOULD offer the diesel I6 too but I'm doubting that. There really isn't a ton of room under the Tahoes and Subs for a DEF tank especially when the switch to IRS.

Just a thought... With the way pricing is going on Tahoes/Suburbans/Yukons/Escalades I'm not seeing the sales the way they used to be. Modern unibody 3 row crossovers are taking market share that once was the territory of the large body on frame SUV's. The new Traverse is selling well and is under a Tahoe by more the 10 grand in price depending on how you option them out.

Another point, GM isn't making a 3/4 ton Suburban for public sale anymore. Yes they still sell some, but only to Fleet/Gov applications. So GM isn't really looking at selling Suburbans and Tahoes for towing. I would guess that the market research shows if they are going to tow the customers are going to buy a pickup.

 

[Chevy305]

Just a thought... With the way pricing is going on Tahoes/Suburbans/Yukons/Escalades I'm not seeing the sales the way they used to be. Modern unibody 3 row crossovers are taking market share that once was the territory of the large body on frame SUV's. The new Traverse is selling well and is under a Tahoe by more the 10 grand in price depending on how you option them out.

Another point, GM isn't making a 3/4 ton Suburban for public sale anymore. Yes they still sell some, but only to Fleet/Gov applications. So GM isn't really looking at selling Suburbans and Tahoes for towing. I would guess that the market research shows if they are going to tow the customers are going to buy a pickup.

You're right about the pricing, if they were a little more affordable then I think more people would drive them.

 

[red EOD]

Diesels are far from clean.

Not quite. Diesels (with no emissions equipment) put out more particulate and NOx emissions than a gasser but significantly less other emissions than gasoline engines with or without their emission systems. But particulate matter is visible (soot) so they "look" dirtier. Add in the current cat and DPF emission parts and those are lowered per gallon of fuel.

There's been a long time stigma here in the US about diesels being filthy, noisy, rock the vehicle, etc largely because of how they used to be. Detroit 2 strokes are a prime example. Only in the past 2 decades has that view really started to change. Going to a high pressure common rail with multiple injections for each stroke really helped the engines become quieter, smoother, and cleaner.

 

[vandelay industries]

I think GM considers that big towing will only happen with pickups.

For GMT800 series, the Allison doesn't fit under the floor. The Duraburb company fixes this with a "raked" body lift (front is up a couple inches, back is stock). The 8.1L 'Burb and 'Lance got 4L80/5-E. Obviously they could have fixed that for the GMT900+, but I don't think they did. The cozy low floor height is more important to SUV buyers I guess. Every 5 years or so there are rumors of a Baby Duramax that would even go in 1/2-tons, but that can seems to always get kicked down the road.

If you go back to the 6.5L TD Suburbans, they didn't really get better mileage than current 5.3L DoD models. They may be better at towing, but that kind of noise and smell wouldn't be popular with current SUV buyers.

Honestly I kind of think warranty claims from putting gas in a diesel truck are also on their radar. It's almost backwards that the diesel nozzle is bigger. Putting diesel in a gas truck won't really ruin it.

RE: Duraburb:
If you're lucky enough to afford the $135K pricetag, then more power to you! Otherwise, better get a home equity loan..............

i wonder how Duraburb gets around the no 3/4-1ton suburban sales to individuals because, apparently, after the conversion, a private citizen CAN get a 2018 1-ton suburban?

 

[vandelay industries]

To add to the original question, a diesel engine IS available in the 3/4 and 1 ton VANS. Although it's not the right diesel engine........

 

[vandelay industries]

Related question:
No more 1/2 ton vans available anymore?

 

[USSkoval]

Nope, no more half ton vans. I'll bet that the regular style van will be gone altogether soon.

In recent years, I've been very disappointed in the direction GM is taking the Suburban. The original formula was a truck that offered seating for many passengers and lots of dry cargo space. That formula worked and sold like hotcakes. Now, they don't look like a truck. They don't drive like a truck. They don't have the capabilities of a truck. And to top it off, the cargo area is extremely cramped compared to the older models. They have abandoned the market that was the reason for a truck wagon to begin with.

 

[vandelay industries]

Nope, no more half ton vans. I'll bet that the regular style van will be gone altogether soon.

In recent years, I've been very disappointed in the direction GM is taking the Suburban. The original formula was a truck that offered seating for many passengers and lots of dry cargo space. That formula worked and sold like hotcakes. Now, they don't look like a truck. They don't drive like a truck. They don't have the capabilities of a truck. And to top it off, the cargo area is extremely cramped compared to the older models. They have abandoned the market that was the reason for a truck wagon to begin with.

i wonder about this too; i could see not offering a diesel version if the demand isn't there (ford doesn't either.......food for thought.........), but would it cost THAT much more money to offer a more truck-like version for those who want one; If you look at the truck line, you have high country all the way down to W/T and it seems to work. ..........But maybe gm just wants to present the suburban as upscale to begin with?

 

[vandelay industries]

No v-8 available in Expedition anymore?