Im sure this has been asked a million times here, but is there any hope at all of Gm bring it back to their trucks, ive seen it on their new 4x4 vans, but why not of their trucks? I love their new trucks but if i had a choice i think i would still choose a f250 or f350 superduty, the superduties are the only ferd i have ever liked.
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Will Gm ever bring back sfa???
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I can almost guarantee that GM will never put a solid front axle under any of their light duty trucks again. Too many yuppies that like the IFS setup. I personally DON'T like the way it handles, my dad's 98 burb has way too much sway.
The 5% (probably more like 1%) guys out there like us that prefer a live axle usually wind up going to Ford superduty or Dodge HD truck and I highly doubt GM cares much because they have the "cushy" ride concerned folks buying their HD trucks.
I love GM's but they lost me as a customer, I bought a 2001 Dodge 3/4 4x4 Cummins pickup. D60 up front 4 linked on coils with a D70HD out back on some HEAVY springs powered by the only strait 6 cylinder diesel on the market....the best drivetrain out there IMHO.
P.S. The new '05 superduty is a badass truck, they finally junked the leafs and went coils and 5 link up front, kind of like the dodges and early 78-79 f150's.
The 5% (probably more like 1%) guys out there like us that prefer a live axle usually wind up going to Ford superduty or Dodge HD truck and I highly doubt GM cares much because they have the "cushy" ride concerned folks buying their HD trucks.
I love GM's but they lost me as a customer, I bought a 2001 Dodge 3/4 4x4 Cummins pickup. D60 up front 4 linked on coils with a D70HD out back on some HEAVY springs powered by the only strait 6 cylinder diesel on the market....the best drivetrain out there IMHO.
P.S. The new '05 superduty is a badass truck, they finally junked the leafs and went coils and 5 link up front, kind of like the dodges and early 78-79 f150's.
atho
1/2 ton status
gm still does have SFA...unfortunately you have to step up to a K4500 truck, which are large and ugly as sin, and then you only get the 8.1 and the Duramax as options.
I think SFA would make a nice HD option on, say, the 3500 series only. So the 3500 would be ifs and 3500HD would be sfa. But i'll put the bong down now, it ain't happening.
I think SFA would make a nice HD option on, say, the 3500 series only. So the 3500 would be ifs and 3500HD would be sfa. But i'll put the bong down now, it ain't happening.
84_Chevy_K10
Banned
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P.S. The new '05 superduty is a badass truck, they finally junked the leafs and went coils and 5 link up front, kind of like the dodges and early 78-79 f150's.
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Yeah, maybe they can have broken track bars and worn out front bushings too. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
If anything they should have put a kingpin frontend in it.
P.S. The new '05 superduty is a badass truck, they finally junked the leafs and went coils and 5 link up front, kind of like the dodges and early 78-79 f150's.
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Yeah, maybe they can have broken track bars and worn out front bushings too. /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
If anything they should have put a kingpin frontend in it.
zcarczar
1/2 ton status
I drive an '03 2500 HD Silverado as a DD and I will NEVER drive a SFA vehicle as a DD again. It has no bumpsteer, rides smooth, and handles great with little to no body roll for a big truck like it is. I think IFS is great, it just has its applications, like DD's, and race vehicles. Just like SFA works good in trail rigs.
84_Chevy_K10
Banned
I drive an IFS rig every day as well. I agree it has its advantages but one of them is not heavy duty use. I think they should offer IFS in 1/2 tons and still make real trucks with straight axles. That's my personal opinion though of course.
atho
1/2 ton status
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If anything they should have put a kingpin frontend in it.
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I like how Ford has the entirely new dana 60 front, the fat boy or whatever, with the 10" ring gear and bigger axleshafts or something. But it still has balljoints /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif wtf?
If anything they should have put a kingpin frontend in it.
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I like how Ford has the entirely new dana 60 front, the fat boy or whatever, with the 10" ring gear and bigger axleshafts or something. But it still has balljoints /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif wtf?
COCHEV
1/2 ton status
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I drive an '03 2500 HD Silverado as a DD and I will NEVER drive a SFA vehicle as a DD again. It has no bumpsteer, rides smooth, and handles great with little to no body roll for a big truck like it is. I think IFS is great, it just has its applications, like DD's, and race vehicles. Just like SFA works good in trail rigs.
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what he said. i have a 95 2500. after years of driving old iron daily, i would not want to go back. love mine for DD purposes.
I drive an '03 2500 HD Silverado as a DD and I will NEVER drive a SFA vehicle as a DD again. It has no bumpsteer, rides smooth, and handles great with little to no body roll for a big truck like it is. I think IFS is great, it just has its applications, like DD's, and race vehicles. Just like SFA works good in trail rigs.
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what he said. i have a 95 2500. after years of driving old iron daily, i would not want to go back. love mine for DD purposes.
84_Chevy_K10
Banned
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If anything they should have put a kingpin frontend in it.
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I like how Ford has the entirely new dana 60 front, the fat boy or whatever, with the 10" ring gear and bigger axleshafts or something. But it still has balljoints /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif wtf?
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Cheaper apparently. The balljoints wear out too. I've sold many a set to guys with 60,000 or less on a Superduty with stock tires.
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If anything they should have put a kingpin frontend in it.
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I like how Ford has the entirely new dana 60 front, the fat boy or whatever, with the 10" ring gear and bigger axleshafts or something. But it still has balljoints /forums/images/graemlins/doah.gif wtf?
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Cheaper apparently. The balljoints wear out too. I've sold many a set to guys with 60,000 or less on a Superduty with stock tires.
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I drive an '03 2500 HD Silverado as a DD and I will NEVER drive a SFA vehicle as a DD again. It has no bumpsteer, rides smooth, and handles great with little to no body roll for a big truck like it is. I think IFS is great, it just has its applications, like DD's, and race vehicles. Just like SFA works good in trail rigs.
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My friend is crazy. He has an '03 2500 HD also, his has about 29,000 miles. He bought a Dana 60 from a Ford to put in it. He already has all of the IFS stuff (a-arms, torsion bars, differential) taken out. He bent the tie rod 3 times while in 4 wheel drive and said he doesn't want to fix it anymore. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I drive an '03 2500 HD Silverado as a DD and I will NEVER drive a SFA vehicle as a DD again. It has no bumpsteer, rides smooth, and handles great with little to no body roll for a big truck like it is. I think IFS is great, it just has its applications, like DD's, and race vehicles. Just like SFA works good in trail rigs.
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My friend is crazy. He has an '03 2500 HD also, his has about 29,000 miles. He bought a Dana 60 from a Ford to put in it. He already has all of the IFS stuff (a-arms, torsion bars, differential) taken out. He bent the tie rod 3 times while in 4 wheel drive and said he doesn't want to fix it anymore. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
beater_k20
Banned
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what he said. i have a 95 2500. after years of driving old iron daily, i would not want to go back. love mine for DD purposes.
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im going to disagree, for a DD and a toy, i like my straight axle trucks. actually have very little experience a straight axle truck offroad yet, but i have wheeled my DD 91 K1500 a few times. i recently pulled a 7000# load (2500# trailer/4500# car) with my uncle's '94 K2500, and have never had anything pull like that truck did, absolutely perfect. as far as general around town ride and comfort, i'll take a straight axle any day.
what he said. i have a 95 2500. after years of driving old iron daily, i would not want to go back. love mine for DD purposes.
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im going to disagree, for a DD and a toy, i like my straight axle trucks. actually have very little experience a straight axle truck offroad yet, but i have wheeled my DD 91 K1500 a few times. i recently pulled a 7000# load (2500# trailer/4500# car) with my uncle's '94 K2500, and have never had anything pull like that truck did, absolutely perfect. as far as general around town ride and comfort, i'll take a straight axle any day.
I am and will always will be a lover the bouncy bouncy SFA ride. But for as much gravel roads as I drive IFS is nice. We were driving around tonight, and I was driving my friends 99 Z71 speeds up to 85 on a gravel road, and it handled great, last time I tryed that in a SFA right ... lets just say i stopped to collect my thoughts and grab a new pair of underwear /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
Corey 78K5
1 ton status
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P.S. The new '05 superduty is a badass truck, they finally junked the leafs and went coils and 5 link up front, kind of like the dodges and early 78-79 f150's.
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Going to coils was a dumb move just not as rugged as a set of leafs. I cant stand the GM trucks with IFS and never will. Dodge is a joke as well with Their hubless front axels.
I plan on a new truck next year(maybe) and the only choice I see is the F-350. I still dont like the ideal of coils but at least it does have hubs and a lever on the t-case. Not to mention Fords have always been better quality than the Dodge's. I also like the extra cab or four door with the short bed. Ford makes the best 3/4 and 1 ton trucks on the road today.
P.S. The new '05 superduty is a badass truck, they finally junked the leafs and went coils and 5 link up front, kind of like the dodges and early 78-79 f150's.
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Going to coils was a dumb move just not as rugged as a set of leafs. I cant stand the GM trucks with IFS and never will. Dodge is a joke as well with Their hubless front axels.
I plan on a new truck next year(maybe) and the only choice I see is the F-350. I still dont like the ideal of coils but at least it does have hubs and a lever on the t-case. Not to mention Fords have always been better quality than the Dodge's. I also like the extra cab or four door with the short bed. Ford makes the best 3/4 and 1 ton trucks on the road today.
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I love GM's but they lost me as a customer
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i like ifs for the street and blasting down dirt roads, it rides so much better than sfa. but i do wish they would go back to sfa, it would make my job a hole lot easyer.
I love GM's but they lost me as a customer
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i like ifs for the street and blasting down dirt roads, it rides so much better than sfa. but i do wish they would go back to sfa, it would make my job a hole lot easyer.
sled_dog
1 ton status
eh, Dad just got rid of his F250(02) for an 04 2500HD. He loves his HD way more than his Ford. I don't like the IFS factor, if his Super Duty was Diesel I would have thought about buying it from him(like I could /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif). I owned a 95 K2500 last year. I loved the truck, cause it looked really nice, and was just jump in and go(TBI and auto), but I hated the front suspension. It didn't body lean bad as far as I can remember. My 89 Burb or 84 K5 body leaned WAY more(both stock height). The one problem it definetally had, was bouncing. That thing would bounce off any good sized bump. I'm going back to my Suburban, after just one time of driving that again, I like it better.
sled_dog
1 ton status
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well why the heck do they still put sfa under their vans?
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that is an aftermarket company that does that. They take 0 mile vans from GM and convert them. The only vans that come from GM themselves with power to all 4 wheels are the AWD Astros/Safaris, and they are IFS with a 1:1 tcase.
well why the heck do they still put sfa under their vans?
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that is an aftermarket company that does that. They take 0 mile vans from GM and convert them. The only vans that come from GM themselves with power to all 4 wheels are the AWD Astros/Safaris, and they are IFS with a 1:1 tcase.
Burt4x4
1 Ton First Gen
Well I have never drivin a IFS truck before.
Butt I am about to find out what it is like.
I got me one of thease......in 2weeks
Very similar to this pick, just slightly different /forums/images/graemlins/woot.gif
Butt I am about to find out what it is like.
I got me one of thease......in 2weeks
Very similar to this pick, just slightly different /forums/images/graemlins/woot.gif
pauly383
Daddy383
You can get GM to make a SFA truck again . What you do is CONVINCE a couple hundred thousand people to buy Ford and Dodge HD SFA trucks , then organize a get together with every one of those trucks on GM's front lawn and protest with signs saying The competition offers what you wanted . Then with the news coverage you would get them to offer on of the AAM fronts as an option .
But much like politics to do good for the country , no one could organize that kind of thing /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
But much like politics to do good for the country , no one could organize that kind of thing /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
sled_dog
1 ton status
And thus you are getting my dream daily driver. I must admit I just like riding in my dad's HD, and his is a stripped down barebones work truck. Hopefully after school I will get a job and can afford to buy a nice 2500HD Diesel.
