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14b FF Ring Gear Install Help

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I was finally able to finish all of my other cars that managed to break down over the winter. I got back onto the 14 bolt axle today and was able to slide the new ring gear and differential inside. After setting up the preload I went to measure for backlash. I made the necessary adjustments and got it close. I put the dial indicator on the ring gear and came up with some bizarre readings. I understand that ring gear will usually have one or two thousandths variation but this one is boggling me. Before I put the ring gear on the carrier I made sure to deburr the ring gear itself and I also checked for any imperfections on the new Eaton differential. I pretty much measured every tooth or every other tooth going around the differential. These are the readings in thousands.

7/1,000ths
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7

You can see in the picture where I drew the readings on the differential with the corresponding tooth. I took the differential out once and reinstalled it when I first got these readings. The bearing caps are torqued to spec and the ring gear bolts are all torqued to spec. Any ideas or thoughts from the gear heads out there?

The pinion gear is installed and the pinion housing bolts are torqued to spec.

Has anybody run into this before? Besides separating the ring gear from the differential again are there any other solutions.

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the only other is pull the ring gear and then clamp the true-trac back in and spin it and check its run out . if good its the gear . if not in the true-trac .
 
the only other is pull the ring gear and then clamp the true-trac back in and spin it and check its run out . if good its the gear . if not in the true-trac .
Neither of those seem like fun. Had hoped the 14b would be easier than the Dana 60. I'd have to scrape off the thread locker from the ring gear bolts. None seems like fun.
 
You might want to wait for someone that knows more about this to verify that your backlash is within acceptable toleranses and send it.
 
Might have deburred it but you also might have smooshed something between the two.
Take the end and point it on the base of the ring gear that is still exposed and see what that tells you. But honestly, you have to take it apart to be 100% conclusive.

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Maybe, different ppl say .002 is MAX, however, I have.004.

I REALLY don't want to take ring gear off.
Consider the possibility of the actuator tip of your dial gauge ever so slightly sliding before plunging and giving a reading differently on various teeth. Something to look out for and easy to miss.

I absolutely agree with OBIJUAN’s doing it right and taking it apart to verify run out and validating that there is no foreign material between the mating surfaces - could just be the way the ring gear was machined but it does appear to possibly have a gap.

The effort is worth the peace of mind and ensures quality work.
 
Consider the possibility of the actuator tip of your dial gauge ever so slightly sliding before plunging and giving a reading differently on various teeth. Something to look out for and easy to miss.

I absolutely agree with OBIJUAN’s doing it right and taking it apart to verify run out and validating that there is no foreign material between the mating surfaces - could just be the way the ring gear was machined but it does appear to possibly have a gap.

The effort is worth the peace of mind and ensures quality work.
Measured runout two times and got same results. Each time I moved the dial Guage to different spot... Same results.

Ill tear it apart and check for debris, I'll check for runout on differential w/o ring gear installed.

Before doing, that I'll check for runout on the ring gear base.
 
Consider the possibility of the actuator tip of your dial gauge ever so slightly sliding before plunging and giving a reading differently on various teeth. Something to look out for and easy to miss.

I absolutely agree with OBIJUAN’s doing it right and taking it apart to verify run out and validating that there is no foreign material between the mating surfaces - could just be the way the ring gear was machined but it does appear to possibly have a gap.

The effort is worth the peace of mind and ensures quality work.
like i said take off gear and re-test at mounting surface to verify if carrier or gear bad .
 
vise grips to hold bolt . . . good quality wire wheel on good bench grinder . . and start buffing the threads . . .
Could also put the bolt head in a bench vise and gently use a die to run down/up the threads - still needs to be finished off with some time on the wire wheel though, just less effort sometimes…
Don’t forget to put a round wire brush in a drill and clean the female threads in the ring gear too.
 
Could also put the bolt head in a bench vise and gently use a die to run down/up the threads - still needs to be finished off with some time on the wire wheel though, just less effort sometimes…
Don’t forget to put a round wire brush in a drill and clean the female threads in the ring gear too.
Thread chaser cleaner die yes . Thread cutting NO . it will remove material .
 
Thread chaser cleaner die yes . Thread cutting NO . it will remove material .
Any chance anyone know thread pitch of ring gear bolts? On my way from the house today and want to order a thread chaser to get it headed to my place today.
 
Thread chaser cleaner die yes . Thread cutting NO . it will remove material .
Seems to be 1/2"X20 Thread.

I have a thread repair kit but I don't think I have that size. Gonna pick this up today

 
Might have deburred it but you also might have smooshed something between the two.
Take the end and point it on the base of the ring gear that is still exposed and see what that tells you. But honestly, you have to take it apart to be 100% conclusive.
Ran Guage along the beveled edge. Seems pretty "true". Only one spot was 002 shallower than rest of ring gear. The shallow part was about 4 teeth in length. Checked the Backlash again from a 3rd spot and readings are the same.

Removing differential now to take ring gear off.

Found a thread repair die in my tools for these bolts.

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Might have deburred it but you also might have smooshed something between the two.
Take the end and point it on the base of the ring gear that is still exposed and see what that tells you. But honestly, you have to take it apart to be 100% conclusive.

Differential Carrier shows 002 out in a 5" span. SEE PHOTO. rest of carrier is dead on balls. Took reading at top and bottom of surface. Not sure of what to do with this now.

Maybe put the part of ring gear reading 006 to this spot.

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