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1983 Blazer 6.2 diesel

Kurlymo0015

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I need some advice, I have owned my 1983 diesel blazer for a year now. It has a 700r4 transmission. The transmission is done and needs either a rebuild or replacement. Should I rebuild it, replace it, or as some have done convert it to a manual nv4500? (It would be pretty BA to have a manual) Where should I buy the replacement/rebuild kit? Should I get a tranny from monster transmissions or just go to my local auto parts store? Also should I do it myself or pay someone? I have never done a transmission before but I do have the know how to figure it out. My thing is, is it worth my time and effort for the savings in doing it myself? My mechanic quoted me $2450. A new transmission and tourque converter runs about $1400 from what I have seen. Any advice would be great. My main goal is to make it reliable out on the trail and as a daily driver. Thanks.
 
I gotta admit, $2450 sounds a little high to me, but everything is high in California. If you are competent in your skills , I say do it yourself , and get the right GM manuals to make sure you do it right. There are also DVD's out that can guide you through the process , as well as books, and I am sure on here there is a lot of info,as well. :deal:If you like rowing through the gears , do the NV4500. ............. I think it would be easier finding a doner truck with everything you need, rather than trying to track down the bellhousing for the diesel, t-case adapter for your existing transfer case, linkage, ect.
 
Highimpact.net has all the parts to do the nv4500 swap but it will cost about $3500 to get it from them. Do you think a donor truck would be much cheaper? Plus from the site it is all new parts a donor truck would be used parts. Looking at everything worried me that I wouldn't be able to do it myself. It would help if I knew more about set up. I have no idea where the clutch assemblies would placed like the cylinder. I know I could install the trainsmission with ease but I'm worried I would screw it up from there. I guess if I saw the setup I could make a better decision. I really like the idea of the manual setup because of and when the 6.2 goes out I have more options. Like A 5.3 LS.
 
Depending on whether you are trying to save money or not, I would check craigslist for a used transmission. That's what I did, 250$ later I'm back on the road, have 5-6000 miles on that Tranny so far with no problems.
 
Its a lot easier to bolt back in what you removed...replacing whats already there is easier,cheaper,and has less potential for problems..

A 5 speed would be nice,but its not easy finding a suitable donor truck with a good one in it--remember,you'll need a lot more than just the transmission--you need the flywheel,bell housing,all the hydraulic clutch parts (which may not be a direct fit to a square body),and the transfer case & adapter may have different splines than a 700R4,so you'll need those too...maybe driveshaft mods as well..

It involves removing the pedal cluster to add the clutch pedal,mounting the clutch master cylinder and plumbing it up--this is why it costs so much,along with the fact far fewer trucks with 5 speeds were sold,and even less are still in decent shape by the time they end up in a salvage yard,so prices for a used one are pretty steep..(and are in high demand because a lot of them fail or need synchro's)..

Sometimes your better off just fixing the donor truck up that already has the 5 speed...
 
Highimpact.net has all the parts to do the nv4500 swap but it will cost about $3500 to get it from them. Do you think a donor truck would be much cheaper? Plus from the site it is all new parts a donor truck would be used parts. Looking at everything worried me that I wouldn't be able to do it myself. It would help if I knew more about set up. I have no idea where the clutch assemblies would placed like the cylinder. I know I could install the trainsmission with ease but I'm worried I would screw it up from there. I guess if I saw the setup I could make a better decision. I really like the idea of the manual setup because of and when the 6.2 goes out I have more options. Like A 5.3 LS.
EH, I take back the donor truck deal, I was thinking that GM started using the NV4500 in like 88 or something. Looks like they started using them in 92 or so, so about the only thing you could get from a 92-up truck would be the transmission itself, not sure if other parts would work, how many were built with 6.2 diesels.I would hold out, and try to find a transmission from a junkyard or craigslist , but I am cheap. Does High impact offer individual parts , or do you have to buy a complete kit?
 
You can buy any of the parts separately. The most expensive piece is the transmission because it's new. $2300. Of course buying the kit instead of them separately gives you a cheaper price on the parts. I'm sure I could just replace the 700r4. Shoot a brand new one from Monster is only 1500. Swap it out and be done. I see a lot of videos of people who have done this NV4500 swap and it's tempting. Especially considering I can have more options if the 6.2 ever goes out. Still weighing my options. I also just want the dang thing up and running. If I do the conversion I know it will be months before I'm done. It definitely doesn't seem like a one day job.
 
In hindsight, if you are going to keep the diesel, rebuild the 700r4. Or you might get lucky and find a donor squarebody truck that has a diesel with a sm465 in it for cheap, though you wouldn't have an overdrive.
 
Modern engines will work easily with the nv4500, ie 5.3 LS. whereas It is more difficult with the 700r4 to use modern engines. This is my understanding I am no expert, feel free to school me.
 
Nope very simple to use the LS motors with a 700.

There are a whole lot more LS motors out there with 4L60s behind them than NV4500s. 4L60 is the computer controlled version if the 700. If your tuner is worth anything it's just as easy to use either transmission.

Lots of guys keep the 4L60 because it's just convenient. Down the road when I pull my 6.2 it's getting a 5.3 and I am gonna try to score a 4L60 just to take advantage of the computer controls.

If I can't grab 4l60 then my 700 will stay.
 
I need some advice, I have owned my 1983 diesel blazer for a year now. It has a 700r4 transmission. The transmission is done and needs either a rebuild or replacement. Should I rebuild it, replace it, or as some have done convert it to a manual nv4500? (It would be pretty BA to have a manual) Where should I buy the replacement/rebuild kit? Should I get a tranny from monster transmissions or just go to my local auto parts store? Also should I do it myself or pay someone? I have never done a transmission before but I do have the know how to figure it out. My thing is, is it worth my time and effort for the savings in doing it myself? My mechanic quoted me $2450. A new transmission and tourque converter runs about $1400 from what I have seen. Any advice would be great. My main goal is to make it reliable out on the trail and as a daily driver. Thanks.

Bob's right in that doing an NV4500 swap is more work than replacing your 700R4, but it's a doable amount of extra work if you want a stick. Swapping the pedal cluster was annoying (partial steering column removal is required). I opted to keep my automatic column rather than swapping that out, too. I snagged my clutch MC with the pedals. My firewall did NOT have markings where the MC was supposed to go (some do), so I had to figure that out. Brake pedals from trucks with hydroboost brakes are slightly different from the pedals in vaccum-boost trucks. Diesel flywheel is not the same as sbc flywheel. TH350s and your 700R4 have a 27-spline output shaft, the other GM trannies all have 32-spline output shafts, so you'll hafta find another transfer case or swap in a new T-case input shaft.

And for the NV4500s themselves, they come in 2 GM varieties (not counting the Dodge versions). From 93-94, the trannies used external slave bell housings similar to what the SM465 used (but the slave cylinder is on the wrong side. This bell housing will fit in your truck, but the slave sits below the starter...right where your front driveshaft wants to be. :doah: I have one of these boxes, and I grabbed a hydraulic SM465 bell housing (with the slave on the driver's side) from one of the members on here and drilled & tapped the input face of my NV4500 to match (pattern is different). You can buy a custom AA bell housing to adapt patterns, but they were $400 last time I checked.

If you get a 95+ tranny, it will have a higher granny gear, a removable shifting lever tower, and the bell housing will be set up for an internal slave. I think internal slaves aren't as nice as external slaves, but adapting a hydraulic line sounds like more fun than adapting bell housings, thinking back through my parts-collecting phase. The two styles of NV4500 will not swap bell housings.

IIRC, High-impact sells the newer style.


And that's it. Should be a fairly straight-forward swap, but it will be more work than simply throwing in a 700R4. Read through my M1009 thread for pictures of the first half of the swap (haven't gotten further than that yet, my pieces are still scattered around the shop).

Oh, yeah...if you still have an OEM starter on that 6.2, it will be different from what the stick-shift trucks use. If you have a parts-store replacement, it probably is compatible. But if you don't, you'll hafta remove some metal from the nose. Pictures in my thread.
 
Gearing-wise, the NV4500 has a .73 O/D ratio, while the 700R4 has a .70 O/D ratio. It's not a huge difference, but it does turn a 2500RPM cruising speed into a 2600RPM cruising speed. Just in case you cared.
 
Another thing to look into is doing an NV3500 swap instead of an NV4500 swap. The NV4500 is a 4-speed O/D box + granny gear. The NV3500 gives you 5 useful road speeds. If you're not looking for low-speed crawling, having a narrower split between the gears is handy. The only difference swap-wise is that the NV3500 has an integrated bell housing with an internal clutch slave (similar to the later NV4500s).


If you're shelling out big bucks for new parts you have the luxury of selecting the best tranny for your specific application.
 
Highimpact.net has all the parts to do the nv4500 swap but it will cost about $3500 to get it from them. Do you think a donor truck would be much cheaper?

Yes. I paid $200 for my NV4500 from a guy parting out a chassis. I didn't even hafta buy the rest of the truck off him. From there I pieced together the rest of the kit from several cheap & local sources. The bell housing was neither cheap nor local (relatively), but looking back I should have been more patient with that one and spent some time looking locally. Going with the later model would have eliminated this snag.

Plus from the site it is all new parts a donor truck would be used parts. Looking at everything worried me that I wouldn't be able to do it myself. It would help if I knew more about set up. I have no idea where the clutch assemblies would placed like the cylinder. I know I could install the trainsmission with ease but I'm worried I would screw it up from there. I guess if I saw the setup I could make a better decision. I really like the idea of the manual setup because of and when the 6.2 goes out I have more options. Like A 5.3 LS.

We will definitely help you through the swap process. Post up your questions, and we will get you answers. This has been done before, by several folks on here.

And 6.2 engines aren't prone to early failures, so you may be stuck with it for a long time. It's not rare for them to outlast the trucks. :dunno:
 
$2450 seems way high for a 700r4 rebuild unless maybe going full race mod on it, which really isn't needed for the majority of people. My local trans shop rebuilt my 700r4 for $900 with me doing the R&R. That was with a new converter, upgraded sunshell, high quality clutches etc... I did have the advantage of it being a '90 so it already had all of the factory upgrades, but he talked me out of doing anything major with it. This is a small shop with a spotless reputation and builds trans for race cars and pulling trucks.
 
Thanks for all the advice. I think I'm gonna pick up a 700r4 transmission new or used depending on how fast I can get one. If I pull or buy one from/for a gas engine is there anything different for my diesel other than the governor?
 
Thanks for all the advice. I think I'm gonna pick up a 700r4 transmission new or used depending on how fast I can get one. If I pull or buy one from/for a gas engine is there anything different for my diesel other than the governor?

Torque converter will have a lower stall value (and have 6 bolts instead of 3). Beyond that it should be the same.
 

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