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2021 Leaked Bronco pic...

Who cares if it actually wheels?
Got to figure that there are ten Jeeps sold that are only "lifestyle" Jeeps for every one that hits the trail.

These things will sell for all the lifestyle people that just want 35s and no doors.

Ford can push all the off road clips all they want. But in reality they don't care if your driving off boulders or off mall curbs.
 
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Aside from the IFS, it seems pretty well thought out and legit from what I can tell. 35's from the factory is pretty awesome. If they had a solid front axle, I'd be seriously looking at it. Surely they know that all the real off-road people want solid axle, I wonder why nobody besides Jeep will deliver?
 
Aside from the IFS, it seems pretty well thought out and legit from what I can tell. 35's from the factory is pretty awesome. If they had a solid front axle, I'd be seriously looking at it. Surely they know that all the real off-road people want solid axle, I wonder why nobody besides Jeep will deliver?
Read my post above yours, the hardcore Rock crowd is a small percentage. they're trying to sell the weekend warriors going camping in the mountains that don't need a solid front axle. Not the guys that need a Dana 60 front and an Atlas.....
 
Read my post above yours, the hardcore Rock crowd is a small percentage. they're trying to sell the weekend warriors going camping in the mountains that don't need a solid front axle. Not the guys that need a Dana 60 front and an Atlas.....

I believe they think that, but I think the fact is that the mall crawler types follow the lead of the more hardcore people. The aftermarket also follows the hardcores, and that leads to more casual people following too. I have to admit that I don't need a solid front axle for the stuff I do 99.5% of the time, but I just want the reserve toughness and reliability, and modifiability that comes with it. Catering to the hardcores also signals that you (the manufacturer) are paying attention.

Maybe I'm wrong, but how else do you explain the overwhelming popularity of Wranglers? Land Cruiser was a total flop by comparison, for example.

Is the ride really that much better in an IFS truck? Or is it way cheaper to make?
 
Who cares if it actually wheels?
Got to figure that there are ten Jeeps sold that are only "lifestyle" Jeeps vs the ones that hit the trail.

These things will sell for all the lifestyle people that just want 35s and no doors.

Ford can push all the off road clips all they want. But in reality they don't care if your driving off boulders or off mall curbs.
Oh I totally agree. They know that not all the Jeep sheeple are jeepers, but just sheeple in general they can capitalize on.

Top off and no doors are key drivers to the adventure types. They are in the business of selling cars/trucks and knowing the target is key to sales.

I will say this though, we've seen the retro gig play out before. Build hype, generate demand, build and sell. First couple of years go well and once the demand is mostly fulfilled they don't sell nearly as well. The late model Camaro is proof of it. Lots of demand built up since they killed off the 4th gen. Announced the 5th gen and people went nuts. Sold well initially. People that wanted them got them. Demand falls off. The funky refresh on the gen 6 didn't help. But we can't give one away now.

Time will tell.
 
I'm not saying I disagree with you about how the trickle down effect works. But I think they look at appealing to the masses. And ifs is more appealing to the masses.

Or I should say the ride is more appealing.

Someone explain this to me. If Jeeps are used so much for weekend wheeling how is it I can see multiple Jeeps everyday. In the Midwest where there are no public land to explore on the weekends. But yet I never ever, ever, ever ,ever see a dirty one.

Popularity and off road ability have nothing in common.
 
I'm not saying I disagree with you about how the trickle down effect works. But I think they look at appealing to the masses. And ifs is more appealing to the masses.

Or I should say the ride is more appealing.

Someone explain this to me. If Jeeps are used so much for weekend wheeling how is it I can see multiple Jeeps everyday. In the Midwest where there are no public land to explore on the weekends. But yet I never ever, ever, ever ,ever see a dirty one.

Popularity and off road ability have nothing in common.
Marketing. Plain and simple. The fact that you can peel the top and doors off in the summertime is part of the appeal. It's a look that screams adventure to some, even if that means they never actually turn a tire on dirt. They want that look. The same could be said for Jeeps in Florida or back east where there is little to no public lands to wheel on. But they can order the gee-gaws and gadgets off of Amazon, Smittybuilt, and any other outfit that sells garbage so they can look even cooler than they are stock. Ford is going to capitalize on that same concept too as they've partnered with many of the same aftermarket companies for accessories too.

Jeep has mastered the ability to sell a crude solid-axle dinosaur to the public for a very long time. I've driven enough JK's that have come through the dealership to know there would be no way in hell I would daily drive one. I know the JL's are better, but still, it's a dinosaur. A very advanced dinosaur for what it is, but I don't like the way they handle and on top of that, they aren't that comfy for me to drive. My sister in law in Buffalo NY bought a new JK a few years back and I can vouch at most it's seen a dirt road. To top it off it's a friggen Rubicon that probably hasn't had the lockers engaged. Well maybe in the wintertime because they get dumped on with snow there. But actual off-road time, no, never happened yet. But it proves the point that if Jeep is able to market like the JK and now the JL/JT where a 50 something white gal in Buffalo NY is willing to shell out the money for a full blown Rubicon, they got the marketing thing down pat. Ford is hoping to have the same ability and by the pre-orders they are getting there.
 
Marketing. Plain and simple. The fact that you can peel the top and doors off in the summertime is part of the appeal. It's a look that screams adventure to some, even if that means they never actually turn a tire on dirt. They want that look. The same could be said for Jeeps in Florida or back east where there is little to no public lands to wheel on. But they can order the gee-gaws and gadgets off of Amazon, Smittybuilt, and any other outfit that sells garbage so they can look even cooler than they are stock. Ford is going to capitalize on that same concept too as they've partnered with many of the same aftermarket companies for accessories too.

Jeep has mastered the ability to sell a crude solid-axle dinosaur to the public for a very long time. I've driven enough JK's that have come through the dealership to know there would be no way in hell I would daily drive one. I know the JL's are better, but still, it's a dinosaur. A very advanced dinosaur for what it is, but I don't like the way they handle and on top of that, they aren't that comfy for me to drive. My sister in law in Buffalo NY bought a new JK a few years back and I can vouch at most it's seen a dirt road. To top it off it's a friggen Rubicon that probably hasn't had the lockers engaged. Well maybe in the wintertime because they get dumped on with snow there. But actual off-road time, no, never happened yet. But it proves the point that if Jeep is able to market like the JK and now the JL/JT where a 50 something white gal in Buffalo NY is willing to shell out the money for a full blown Rubicon, they got the marketing thing down pat. Ford is hoping to have the same ability and by the pre-orders they are getting there.
100% agree. Well said Rob.
 
Seriously if money was no issue I would be riding a new bronco, probably the 4 door.

All joking aside. If I was going to buy a new vehicle (which I'm not) I would be heavily looking at this. One main reason I wouldn't buy it is the lack of a V8.
But 2 reasons I would are.
1. Not a cheapy made FCA product.
2. Front IFS.
 
I'd really like to see what it takes to break the IFS. KOTH shows that IFS can stand up to crawl abuse, they just need to commoditize it.
 
still, Ford wins...it's the first new thing in a long time that has caught my attention...I don't hate it.
 
still, Ford wins...it's the first new thing in a long time that has caught my attention...I don't hate it.

agreed, it is pretty snazzy.
If I hadn’t been raised such a diehard GM person, I would actually consider it.
I guess I would rather spend all that money on an older GM square body.
I can only imagine what $30,000 or $40,000 would do for an all new drivetrain, suspension, interior and paint job.
 
You’ll end up with a restored truck that still won’t ride, drive, handle, or be as comfortable as a new one. I love old trucks because they are easy to work on but when I can climb in my 14 Silverado or 16 charger that I’ve remote started and has the ac and cooled seats (or heater and heated seats and steering wheel(yes this is way nicer than it sounds)) and I can set the cruise at 70mph and get 20+mpg with no creaks, rattles, groans, or wind noise. Hate on the new stuff, but it’s nice.
 
You’ll end up with a restored truck that still won’t ride, drive, handle, or be as comfortable as a new one. I love old trucks because they are easy to work on but when I can climb in my 14 Silverado or 16 charger that I’ve remote started and has the ac and cooled seats (or heater and heated seats and steering wheel(yes this is way nicer than it sounds)) and I can set the cruise at 70mph and get 20+mpg with no creaks, rattles, groans, or wind noise. Hate on the new stuff, but it’s nice.

40 grand in one of my old vehicles and it would be pretty nice.

As good as a 2020... No. Also you get something with an older vehicle you can never ever, ever , ever get with a new one.

Style.
 
You’ll end up with a restored truck that still won’t ride, drive, handle, or be as comfortable as a new one. I love old trucks because they are easy to work on but when I can climb in my 14 Silverado or 16 charger that I’ve remote started and has the ac and cooled seats (or heater and heated seats and steering wheel(yes this is way nicer than it sounds)) and I can set the cruise at 70mph and get 20+mpg with no creaks, rattles, groans, or wind noise. Hate on the new stuff, but it’s nice.
Only way you wouldn't have more suspension travel, ride quality and performance building your own for $40k is if you outsource a complete build and restoration. The only argument you can make would be for reliability of stock and maybe squeak/rattle. Even creature comforts like bluetooth, Nav and heated seats are relatively cheap compared to sticker price. The REAL difference is a new rig gets financed easy/peasy where building your own requires actual money.
 
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