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700r4 blowout thread *ITS DONE!* :)

those guys are on crack! wtf?

Ok so this is what happened...

I went in and asked to talk to the manager b/c thats who nate talked to yesterday for me...

He said that he was the manager so I was like oh...ok, and got my list of parts out and started to chat with him...

After a minute he said that he wanted to talk to his builder and see what he said about the parts...

5 minutes or so pass and he comes back...

he said that they can do it. period...thats it, he just stood there and looked at me...

so I said, uhhh ok can I get a ballpark figure for what its going to cost?

he said I can't really give you that until I get into the tranny and figure out what "hard parts" need to be replaced as well...

I was basically done at this point but pushed on a little...I asked what does a bone stock rebuild on a 700r4 out of an '85 K10 cost? (shesh...give me something)...

He comes back and says that it'll be $1800 for the labor and rebuild kit...plus whatever "hard parts" it needs (basically his way of leaving it open ended so after they have my truck apart and in a billion pieces he can tack on w/e he wants)...plus the cost of the parts that I had on my list.

So these guys are talking almost $3,000! haha...crack is a terrible drug my friends...
:)

So I'm going to start calling some of the smaller local shops around here and see what kind of prices I get.
 
Well, Avery if you are coming to Texas anyway.:thinking: I just got my 4L60E rebuilt from a buddy of mine that I knew when I worked at Park Cities Ford. He did it for $250 labor + hardparts. I lost Reverse, Second, and Overdrive which is a common problem. In total I spent $750 parts and Labor and that was for the 8 count 3-4 clutch pack, Alto Band, Beast Sunshell, Billet servo, rear sun gear and some other small parts. This is where I ordered my parts from. http://www.transmissioncenter.net/ Pretty fast shipping but then again they are fairly close to me.
 
Avery4jc said:
those guys are on crack! wtf?

Ok so this is what happened...

I went in and asked to talk to the manager b/c thats who nate talked to yesterday for me...

He said that he was the manager so I was like oh...ok, and got my list of parts out and started to chat with him...

After a minute he said that he wanted to talk to his builder and see what he said about the parts...

5 minutes or so pass and he comes back...

he said that they can do it. period...thats it, he just stood there and looked at me...

so I said, uhhh ok can I get a ballpark figure for what its going to cost?

he said I can't really give you that until I get into the tranny and figure out what "hard parts" need to be replaced as well...

I was basically done at this point but pushed on a little...I asked what does a bone stock rebuild on a 700r4 out of an '85 K10 cost? (shesh...give me something)...

He comes back and says that it'll be $1800 for the labor and rebuild kit...plus whatever "hard parts" it needs (basically his way of leaving it open ended so after they have my truck apart and in a billion pieces he can tack on w/e he wants)...plus the cost of the parts that I had on my list.

So these guys are talking almost $3,000! haha...crack is a terrible drug my friends...
:)

So I'm going to start calling some of the smaller local shops around here and see what kind of prices I get.
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AAMCO..... (no comment):whistle: :whistle:


TCI, BTO, GM
:)
 
83ZZ502_Jimmy said:
AAMCO..... (no comment):whistle: :whistle:


TCI, BTO, GM
:)
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yeah the idea of just going w/ a GM reman one has crossed my mind but don't you think its a bit crazy to put a bone stock 700r back in it?
Or can they put the upgrades in it before they install it?
 
02turbogixxer said:
Well, Avery if you are coming to Texas anyway.:thinking: I just got my 4L60E rebuilt from a buddy of mine that I knew when I worked at Park Cities Ford. He did it for $250 labor + hardparts. I lost Reverse, Second, and Overdrive which is a common problem. In total I spent $750 parts and Labor and that was for the 8 count 3-4 clutch pack, Alto Band, Beast Sunshell, Billet servo, rear sun gear and some other small parts. This is where I ordered my parts from. http://www.transmissioncenter.net/ Pretty fast shipping but then again they are fairly close to me.
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yeah I've been on that site many times checking their raptor series out...$$$ but well built trannys.
 
Get a tranny from bow tie overdrives. Tell them your truck, what you plan on doing with it and they will set you up. I had mine rebuilt by a local however, but I got everything done to it for 1500. so yeah, tell them to kiss your butt and go to a different store. If your willing to bring your truck south, I can set you up with a tranny shop who does PRIMO work. They would take care of you.

~Brian
 
Avery4jc said:
yeah the idea of just going w/ a GM reman one has crossed my mind but don't you think its a bit crazy to put a bone stock 700r back in it?
Or can they put the upgrades in it before they install it?
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I don't think its crazy. With the correct gears, and an excellent cooler it should outlast your truck. No offense, you are not putting crazy power through it, just the tires are the "problem"

Fix the problem with the right gearing and the tranny will be fine. That and a 3yr/100k warranty helps the peace of mind dept.

John
 
Avery4jc said:
yeah the idea of just going w/ a GM reman one has crossed my mind but don't you think its a bit crazy to put a bone stock 700r back in it?
Or can they put the upgrades in it before they install it?
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The best thing you can do IMHO is get a reman from GM. The tranny in your truck is one of the weakest 700s Gm came out with. After 1988 they had upgraded them and got the weak points addressed. The new 700R4 or 4L60 are pretty good units. Far stronger than if you rebuilt yours. GM aslo now makes a reman performance 700r4/4L60. But I dont know if they have 4x4 apps.
Call your local GM dealer. Also FYI GM will usually not honor warenty if you install the trans yourself. So be sure to ask about it.

The only other trans I would recomend is BTO
 
Thunder said:
Also FYI GM will usually not honor warenty if you install the trans yourself.
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I had no issues with GM and warranty on self-installation, as long as its documented and the proper installation steps followed.

John
 
Nate, I'm going to chime in because this bashing of AAMCO IMO is not well founded.

Coming across the country in '95, the truck stops moving. My first truck, no idea what the problem is. Call the local AAMCO (Fayetteville NC) and they tow the truck to the shop. We converse some, they diagnose, t-case. (208) OK, fix it. Next day, $500, I'm out the door and on my way.

Eventually my 700 decides to stop allowing the engine to propel the vehicle. Luckily got to Flagstaff AZ (NC, VA, then AZ) before it finally died. I noticed delayed shifting long before, but tried to keep it from shifting much on its own.

Local AAMCO towed it to the shop, starting working on it IMMEDIATELY (no waiting, it appears they gave me priority because I had to get moving the next day) told me what was wrong with it, and told me cost once I told them to tear it down to figure out the damaged hard parts. It was around $1800, lots of bad pieces in it (was an '83 700, what do you expect) but again, it was done the next day and I was on the road. No expensive upgrade parts, I simply couldn't afford it at the time, but apparently I didn't need them, because it never failed.

When I got home, I thought it felt funny shifting some times, took it to my local AAMCO, no hassles, they test drove it, and figured out I wasn't understanding the TCC apply. Once they explained that to me, I was happy.
Both those components lasted me over 5 years, when I sold the truck they were still going strong.

As mentioned, they are franchises. If one owner (or many) are horrible people and take shortcuts or take advantage of customers, it's not surprising, but you cannot lump all people into that category. I think charging $75/hour for shop labor is taking advantage of people, but if you don't like that, do it yourself. If all AAMCO's were this bad, you would see them going out of business left and right. As it is with everything else, you hear the minority horror stories, not the majority success stories.

I'm not denigrating anyones bad experiences, just trying to make sure that all AAMCO's aren't slandered here, especially on hearsay. The way people maintain and treat their vehicles anymore, I'd take any "failures" with a grain of salt as well.

If anything I thought AAMCO to be a bit high in price, but when you look at how many there are all over the country, (and the service I received three times at three different locations) it's not a stretch to see that you are pretty well covered if something DOES go wrong in the future.
 
I just talked to BTO and they have their L2 700r4 K case for $1200...then the torque converter is like another $175 I believe he said.
Oh and yeah the power isn't an issue...I've told all the shops that its not an issue of power and never will be because this beast will always have to be smogged so I'm limited on what I can do. The issue is just the big tires.
So I told the guy at BTO that I'm going to check with some local shops and if they are out of the ballpark then I'll give him a call and get it ordered up...he said that sounds good but the only problem is they have so many orders coming in they are 10 days out before it would even ship...:(
I think I'm going to go over to the GM dealer down the street from my house and talk to them in person...I'll be back in a little bit.
 
83ZZ502_Jimmy said:
I had no issues with GM and warranty on self-installation, as long as its documented and the proper installation steps followed.

John
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That is good to know.

About those Raptor Transmissions. Do a search here and in the 73-91 board.
Been quite a few with bad experiences with Raptor.
 
These GM reman transmissions come from and are installed at the local GM dealers correct?
So if I just go up to the local GM dealer I can chat w/ someone about getting one ordered and installed? Or is it something you order GM direct or something?
 
a stock 700r4 from a '88-91 will be much better than the earlier ones like the one thats in ur k10. you really should just run a th400 since u have 4.10s and 38s. ive got a th400, 4.10s and 39.5's and its perfect for highway rpms. with your current setup there is no need for overdrive becuase of the rpms. if you want to keep the 700r4, you should really get 4.88s or 5.13s, otherwise 4.10s is perfect w/o overdrive in your setup, plus you'll have a stronger tranny. just my 2cents
 
You`re better off getting a local shop to do it...The one I have, which Manny told you about, was built by a race shop....
 
Avery,

IMHO this is turning out to be just like the center pin issue. I think you need to slow down, in fact, even stop, and figure out what you want and what you want to do before you go and spend your parents money on a mistake. I still think you can get a built tranny for around $1500.00. I told you to contact Ben, ie, BIGBLAZE433 because he has a built 700R4 just like you need sitting at his house and he's done a lot of research and can give you much insight. Yet again, you're chosing, in my eyes, to just run around randomly and go with the slightest fart in the breeze. You haven't even bothered to contact him. C'mon man, I'm for ya, but you're headin' down the road to makin' a big financial mistake by going everywhere and anywhere without a game plan.

Manny
 
yeah muddybuddy that would be nice but I'm going to drop to 4.88's or 5.13's as soon as I get this whole ordeal worked out.
 
Avery4jc said:
These GM reman transmissions come from and are installed at the local GM dealers correct?
So if I just go up to the local GM dealer I can chat w/ someone about getting one ordered and installed? Or is it something you order GM direct or something?
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Yes, you can go to your dealer and have it installed. However, deals on GM parts can be had, by knowing someone in the "business"
 
MuddinManny said:
Avery,

IMHO this is turning out to be just like the center pin issue. I think you need to slow down, in fact, even stop, and figure out what you want and what you want to do before you go and spend your parents money on a mistake. I still think you can get a built tranny for around $1500.00. I told you to contact Ben, ie, BIGBLAZE433 because he has a built 700R4 just like you need sitting at his house and he's done a lot of research and can give you much insight. Yet again, you're chosing, in my eyes, to just run around randomly and go with the slightest fart in the breeze. C'mon man, I'm for ya, but you're headin' down the road to makin' a big financial mistake by going everywhere and anywhere without a game plan.

Manny
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sorry bro but not all of us have unlimited time and money to spend on our trucks...I know a lot of you don't agree with getting things done as fast as possible but thats b/c you have other daily drivers.
Plus $3,000 isn't a fart in the breeze...its insane. So if me looking at other options b/c I don't want to drop $3,000 with some crazy AAMCO means I'm moving too fast in your eyes then iono what to tell ya'

btw 5.13's aren't too deep :)...OD baby!
 
Avery4jc said:
sorry bro but not all of us have unlimited time and money to spend on our trucks...I know a lot of you don't agree with getting things done as fast as possible but thats b/c you have other daily drivers.
Plus $3,000 isn't a fart in the breeze...its insane. So if me looking at other options b/c I don't want to drop $3,000 with some crazy AAMCO then iono what to tell ya' :)

btw 5.13's aren't too deep :)...OD baby!
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Avery,

This is about getting things done right, and at a reasonable cost. You don't listen at times. You haven't learned yet that not everything is able to be repaired/replaced overnight. As much as we'd like it to be. You are making a serious purchase decision. That's what I'm trying to convey to you here. We told you not to go to AAMCO for various reasons. They cannot fit the bill for what you are trying to do without you incurring that expense. I agree, $3K is ridiculous. Shop around and get the job done the way you want and fairly.

BTW, I don't have unlimited money or time, so don't hit me with that crap. I was WRONG with the 5.13. They are good. My bad.
 
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