87 K5 Build...Hmmm, whats that Ryoken up to? stay tuned...

[Lunatic]

I don't say much in this build - But, in this case I'm with Greg 100%.

You have spent the time to build this and that - above and beyond - And you would enjoy someone else noticing it. Steel braid line is an eye candy art, and will steal the show away from all of the custom fabricated items you worked harder on than the hose install itself.

EX - Under my hood there is stock rubber ATM - Dirty, ugly....OEM from 86. People look past it straight to a chrome valve cover, air cleaner, and then "whoa" as focus shifts to the front of the truck where the fan and shroud is, followed by the "where did you buy that" (The best compliment IMO).

Braided line makes the eye wander, and leaves the mind bored - Which is when all of your actual work in building gets missed.

Go with the cloth braid - It is used in military applications and I will testify to the hardiness and longevity of this type of hose. Cleanup is a simple spray off, instead of wipe off.

In the end, it's your truck - Your call. Just thought I'd break my silence and post my thoughts.


Still looking good too btw



Troy B
Ft Hood, TX


WOOT - Welcome to page 41, folks

 

[folkenheath]

^ This....

From an aesthetic point-of-view I'd keep those hoses and fittings black and let them fade into the background, and let other more noteworthy items in the engine compartment stand out more.

I think a lot of people get the aesthetics wrong... Choosing to highlight random components that don't make sense (purple split loom wire covers, yellow steering box, lime green spring shackles, chrome plated fuel filler door, hot pink windshield wiper arms)

The engine and accessories are the "star" of the engine bay....or at least they should be. With too many competing colors and finishes, you will distract the eye and lose visual impact amid all of the fussiness.


Lovin' the elegant and functional remote filter setup!

I agree completely. I also think all that stuff makes it look "cluttered". I like to keep all that stuff hidden as much as possible. So everything looks clean and simple.

I say go with the black braided you mentioned. I think you will love it for working with too. The black braided line I was using I could slice it like butter with my razor plier multicutter tool thingamajig.

These things (these are like ratcheting wrenches, one you have them, you wondere what the h3ll you did without them)...

http://www.craftsman.com/shc/s/p_10...keyword=cutter&prdNo=8&blockNo=8&blockType=L8


Your firewall is insane by the way!

 

[ryoken]

here's a quick story to illustrate one reason I may have an "attention to detail" that some don't...

when I was a teen and would go to the car shows at Englishtown, you'd walk up and down the track checking out different cars... some cars you really liked and dug the quality work... some stuff you didn't like, but could still respect the work done..

but I was always amazed at the amount of cars that had some blingy 10 g motor plopped in there.. with grease, slime, etc all over the firewall, frame, etc...

"dude, at least pressure wash the compartment when the motors out!" drove me crazy...


anyway... my tastes may differ from many, but I think I'm pretty good at knowing what looks good... I understand exactly what you guys are saying..

one thing I'll say is this, Lunatic mentioned something about not wanting to divert attention from my mods, etc.. honestly, that is soooo not a concern... considering the majority of the truck is over the top modded, I figure if people like it, they'll notice those things...

I'm still up in the air about it... I'll wait till the front is coming together a bit more, before I take an overall look at it, and decide what will look best...



oh, and... f*ck me..... not to whine... but I can't even walk right now.. my back is sooooooo fubared it's almost comical...

the way I'm going, there's no way the truck could be done by august even if I have the cash.. haven't worked on it in about 2 months...

eh, whatever... somehow I'll get myself motivated... I suppose if I create a big enough toy pile...

 

[JBerno]

You might want to just put some sticky arrows to indicate to people the parts of the truck that ARE NOT modified

 

[lectric80]

You might want to just put some sticky arrows to indicate to people the parts of the truck that ARE NOT modified

It would certainly be simpler.

 

[JDNobodi]

If he goes though the trouble of making arrows, he may end up modifying the parts anyway.

 

[Deuling]

I say make everything as shiny as possible. I LIKE SHINY!!!!

 

[ryoken]

If he goes though the trouble of making arrows, he may end up modifying the parts anyway.

I know, right... I can't help it.... gotta give myself a whack on the back of the head for this engine compartment.... sheesh, I'm gonna run cogged pulleys......

funny story on that.... I ran into a marine buddy from back in the day when I was playing with 46' Skaters, etc..... so i showed him some pics of the rig, bs-ing about it, etc... and I told em I was gonna run a cogged setup like we used to have on the big cube race boats, minus the dry sump setup , and he goes "dude, that will be absolutely sick..... I've never seen it on a vehicle... well, other than Nascar... "

 

[ryoken]

oh, and one other thing I just thought of..... keep in mind guys, in the entire engine compartment really the only silver will be the intake and hoses... oh, and ps rezzy.. so it's not like it would be overdone in steelbraided, polished alum, etc...

but then again, the black braid would match the rubber rad hoses.. the Willy's? that'll get welded bungs and #20 steelbraided.. dammit I will build a vehicle in my life with the rad hoses done!

heck, I'm gonna have a red composite air cleaner lid and vc's... another case of me wanting a certain thing..... cuz that certainly ain't gonna be as cheap as throwing some polished alums on there or something... gonna run me about $500 for that stuff...

 

[folkenheath]

I got to admit, I like pretty much everything you are doing with the rig, and those cogged pulleys seam cool, but I think they are a mistake. I think they are just going to get pebbles and dirt in them and cause more issue than they are worth, not to mention making it more difficult to get replacements (although I am sure you will carrry spares). I have only every seen them used in racing and marine applications where everything is protected or on clean tracks.

Never the less, your rig is awesome, and I still can't believe how much time and effort you put into every little detail. I consider myself pretty picky and I like everything to be exactly how I want it. But you make me look like a cobble jock.

 

[Chevy305]

I got to admit, I like pretty much everything you are doing with the rig, and those cogged pulleys seam cool, but I think they are a mistake. I think they are just going to get pebbles and dirt in them and cause more issue than they are worth, not to mention making it more difficult to get replacements (although I am sure you will carrry spares). I have only every seen them used in racing and marine applications where everything is protected or on clean tracks.

Never the less, your rig is awesome, and I still can't believe how much time and effort you put into every little detail. I consider myself pretty picky and I like everything to be exactly how I want it. But you make me look like a cobble jock.

I think the cogged pulley setup is a waste of money. The cash could easily be put to better use elsewhere on the truck.

Otherwise you should go with a March setup:

 

[ryoken]

see... I actually hate that look.... way too blingy, show-trucky, bolt-on, throw money at it, for my liking...

I can do a whole "all business looking" cogged setup with guide plates, etc for $500ish.. . well, one belt will be a standard 6 groove serp...

whereas those march setups can run WAY more than that... my welder bud runs one on his 39, big bucks..

don't forget that the cogged setup's are a HUGE reduction on component bearing wear too, in addition to the positive engagement they provide..

 

[ryoken]

oh, and thanks Heath, I've seen your work... I consider that pretty high praise...

hehe, cobble jock.. that's great, new one for me, I'll have to use that....

 

[folkenheath]

oh, and thanks Heath, I've seen your work... I consider that pretty high praise...

hehe, cobble jock.. that's great, new one for me, I'll have to use that....

OK, I just sigged you. For at least a little while, I actually completely get your comment, all your stuff is custom and not all shiny chrome. It just sounds funny that you think something looks too show trucky, considering your rig is probably one of the most custom yet expensive show worthy rigs here.

BTW, I think a simple cast aluminum serpentine setup from an F body or something would be the best option. One belt, more efficient, no adjusting, only one spare, easy to find, pretty light, etc. The only downfall is, if your PS pump sh!ts the bed, you can't just pull that belt off and drive home.

And thank you as well....

 

[82355]

I'm with Heath on the serpentine set up.

Martin

 

[shady]

I'm not sure of the automotive world of cogged belts, but we have them on the newer fans at work and they make alot of whining noises. I dont know why but they are deffinatly loud in our application

 

[ryoken]

OK, I just sigged you. For at least a little while, I actually completely get your comment, all your stuff is custom and not all shiny chrome. It just sounds funny that you think something looks too show trucky, considering your rig is probably one of the most custom yet expensive show worthy rigs here.

BTW, I think a simple cast aluminum serpentine setup from an F body or something would be the best option. One belt, more efficient, no adjusting, only one spare, easy to find, pretty light, etc. The only downfall is, if your PS pump sh!ts the bed, you can't just pull that belt off and drive home.

And thank you as well....

I can certainly understand why anyone in here would be bemused by that line from me... but yeah, you did nail the train of thought.... I haven't ran a piece of chrome anything since about 1985, I'm about "built bling"...

I have done my share of polished alum and ss over the years, but I'm really not about store bought bling...

my idea of bling are the vc's and air cleaner

I think it's definitely something a bit different and kinda trick... I think with the composite airpan in black, a pre-filter, etc, they're going to look way cool...

obviously everyone wont. some will think it's a waste of money... and believe me, every opinion, especially dissenting ones, are logged into the memory bank and highly appreciated... but in the end I'm gonna do what I wanna do..

and sorry guys.. I'm pretty set on running my own custom belt system.... I just can't envision getting any of the factory belt systems to work the way I want with the OBA and welder... keep in mind, I plan on 2 alts.. which I'm sure plenty in here are thinking "that's stupid and excessive"...

I have my reasoning.. I hope my track record in here for coming up with some interesting, trick things will afford me that leeway with the masses.....

 

[ryoken]

I'm not sure of the automotive world of cogged belts, but we have them on the newer fans at work and they make alot of whining noises. I dont know why but they are deffinatly loud in our application

square tooth gilmer style belts definitely put out a whine from what I remember.. it has been about a decade since I've worked on a gilmer cogged setup...

the radius tooth makes a huge difference... my good friend Brian's boat (RIP bro! ) has a single 30mm radius tooth on the big block and it's pretty quite...

 

[blazinzuk]

and sorry guys.. I'm pretty set on running my own custom belt system.... I just can't envision getting any of the factory belt systems to work the way I want with the OBA and welder... keep in mind, I plan on 2 alts.. which I'm sure plenty in here are thinking "that's stupid and excessive"...

I have my reasoning.. I hope my track record in here for coming up with some interesting, trick things will afford me that leeway with the masses.....

No 3 alternators would be stupid and excessive, 2 is just good planning.

I for one like the cogged setup. I really don't think you will get much stuff in there. I have seen a couple of mud boggers, not racers, guys who look for the deepest sloppiest stuff who run cogged setups and a couple guys who run blowers. No problems there either.

 

[ryoken]

thanks for the sig..