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91 Jimmy rear seat belt install without top

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I removed the top and the rear roof mounted seatbelts. I donot have an owners manual. Where do I mount these on the body? Was this an oversight by GM? I need to take my kiddies fourwheelin.. and need belts!!
thanks
chris
 
I don't believe there is any provision for the shoulder belts if the top is removed.
 
Umm Yeah... I took mine off and thought the same thing. But my idea was that sinceIi like taking the top off so much, If you pulled out all the seat belt then cut it up by the pre-tensioner, You could have a canvas shop do a double fold and then sew it up and you got your self a groovy lap belt for way cheep.
 
I just strap one child seat in the lap belt in the middle of the back seat, then I strap the other booster seat in the passenger seat. Steph is just s.o.l. on a seat belt of she rides with us. :D
 
Yeah, it was a stupid design by GM. IIRC they didn't even mandate shoulder belts for the back until 1995. When I take the top of my '90 I just unbolt the belts from the floor and remove them still attached to the top. Right now with the top off I have one belt in the back seat

I was going to buy another two aftermarket lap belts and just put those in but I don't know where I'd attach the anchor points for the sides. I haven't looked into it very hard yet.

If you figure out something post it up.
 
Got it to work

Thanks to all that responded.

I followed the advice of Yettieman.

I cut off the belt at the tensioner and tied a not in the end. Works great for crusing with my kids.

After all.. It is a fun truck.
thanks again!
chris
 
Top-Jimmy said:
Thanks to all that responded.

I followed the advice of Yettieman.

I cut off the belt at the tensioner and tied a not in the end. Works great for crusing with my kids.

After all.. It is a fun truck.
thanks again!
chris
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That right there is the stupidest thing i've ever heard. Your childs safety isn't that important to you? :mad:

It would be really easy to just install a set of lap belts from a standard issue blazer, they bolt in the same place on the floor end.
 
Yeah, why not just get an older version rear bench with the lap belts only?

Sorry there is no way I would trust my childs life to what you describe doing. If you truly don't care about your childs safety, keep something else in mind, if something happens and one of the kids is hurt you will be held legally responsible. This could include child endangerment and probably a few other charges.

Nothing in this world is worth risking one of my kids' life for.
 
Seat belt change

Maybe I am ignorant...I value my kids lives....but Please tell me the difference between a three point harness modified to work as a two point lap belt and a factory lap belt. The end adjuster piece is designed exactly the same as the center lap belt already on the same vehicle.

??
cheers
chris
 
Are u Guys kidding me???? This works just like The middle seat belt. Your still using the factory belts that mount to the floor. and the belt clip is still on the seat belt in it's original location, and the Belt buckle in the seat is still there just like it was when you bought the thing. All you've done is cut the big hunk of junk off at the end. When you tie a knot or sew the end up it's just so that people cant run off with your buckel. For Real people If you were to strap yourself in the middle and feel safe then you should feel just as safe strappin your self in the side after u do this. IT'S THE SAME SETUP!!!!!!!!
But ....

1) I would not recomond this setup for "HARDCORE" trail rides
as a matter of fact I wouldn't bring my kids on any hardcore trail rides.. just not safe ANY way you look at it

2) If you wanna just go out and putt's around this setup will work just fine

3) If your going on a long trip (if you an afford to take a K5 on a long trip) This would be fine.... until u got pulled over and they saw a knot(they don't like it when you modify seatbelts) which is why I said to have it sewed.

4) And remember as far as a leagality issue.. what the police man don't know won't hurt him. So if you get it sewed up and it "looks" factory... He most likely won't think twice.
 
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This is where i have a major problem. Cutting the belt then just tying a knot in the end is in no way safe. If something were to happen and the cops or investigators see this you can count on having all kinds of legal trouble about child endangerment and safety issues. You could easily have your kids taken away from you in a heart beat.
 
This is a problem... If this is your beater and all u use it for are trail rides, and u live a mile away from trails.. shouldn't be a problem, For a quick "lets take the kids out and see some sights"... fine, just make sure your belts have the lock bar, mine do, not sure if all of them would have this. If you get out on the road be warned KNOTS ARE BAD!!!!!
 
So you think it's "OK" to drive with your kids this way on the trail where a rollover is very possible but not "OK" on the street. :mad:

I hope you never have the misfortune to be so wrong. I would NEVER sacrifice safety for myself or my kids at ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, EVER.
 
Nope.. I said putting around, Which means nothing extreame. Besides don't you think if you were in a roll over situation alot you would have a roll cage? which there for you would have spent the money for a better seating setup espacially if you had your kids with u alot? Beside I think if you had your kids with you, you would use your better judgement and stay away from the roll over areas.

As far as the road-worthyness it would still be safe. but like I said the cops wouldn't like seeing a knot(and might I add that I never suggested this) . And I don't think me and you are thinking of the same thing. I have a child to and would never put her in danger, which is why what im seeing and double checking for any faults still looks very, very safe.. Not trying to arguee, but I'm about 98% sure were not on the same page/seeing the same image.
 
Nothing extreme doesn't preclude an accident, that's why they are called accidents.

Sorry the difference between what you describe by tying a knot in the belt, versus using the original factory setup is:

1. The original factory setup is a tensioned system, that can tighten in an instant. A knot on the other hand, when faced with the forces of a crash, will stretch. This means your child is going to go further before the belts "catch", meaning a highly increased risk of physical harm.
2. The knot, no matter how tight, is not the proper way to stop a belt from moving. Event the center seat is not tied on to the frame at the end, it is bolted securely.

It is up to you, but I wasn't talking the danger on the street. Things can happen on a trail so fast, that even "putting around" is a huge risk to your children. Some people unfortunately learn the hard way, I hope you will take the advice that both 4x4high and myself have given you, and do it the right way.
 
Hmm you bring up an interesting point... Lets forget the knot, for that I agree. But where is the seat belt end located... It's bolted to the floor. Where is the buckle located?.... It's bolted to the seat. What is the pretensioner's job?... As you said to tighten up instantly(which it doesn't tighten up, but locks.). What is the difference then between the center belt and the side belts? The pretensionser. Wouldn't the center belt be unsafe since it does not have a pretensioner? Lets think about how the center belt works diffrently than side belts. You put the tension manualy on the belt, The lock bar in the buckle allows the seat belt to loosen only when there is no tension on the seat belt. SO if there is tension, it is locked. Now back to the side belts.. If the pretensioner doesn't exist what then????? HMMMM... if there's a lock bar on the seat belt and you put manual tension on it... do you think your still going to need that pretensioner to put tension on something that already has tension?
 
People are forgetting that when you get rid of the shoulder harness there is no longer any tensioner at all. A seat belt that is bolted to the floor and seat.
 
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