It might not give him a heart attack, but it may raise his bloodpressure...
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A Picture to give Timmay a Heart Attack
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84_Chevy_K10
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What's wrong with that?
It's over my GCWR /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
84_Chevy_K10
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It's over my GCWR /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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You sure?
It's over my GCWR /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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You sure?
Hey! I saw those trucks passing through Cheyenne....... /forums/images/graemlins/woot.gif
Actually, there's a car auction once a month about a mile from my house... All the time I see those two trucks (or at least two of the same color with similar trailers) loading up with cars /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
Actually, there's a car auction once a month about a mile from my house... All the time I see those two trucks (or at least two of the same color with similar trailers) loading up with cars /forums/images/graemlins/deal.gif
They were headed south through the 'Springs when I took the picture. /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
Pookster
1/2 ton status
Yeah, I ahve to ask, you sure? LEts just say your trail rig weighs 8000lbs, and the trailer weighs 3k, thats still only 11k, which is under your GCWR for a dually 1 ton.
According for dodge, a 4x4, quad cab, short bed dually with the cummins and a 6sp manual GCWR is 21000 lbs with a 3.73, and 23000 lbs with 4.10 gearing- So I figure your dodge weighs another 6k or so, 8 with tools and people, so... even then, thats still only 19000 lbs, your safe. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
According for dodge, a 4x4, quad cab, short bed dually with the cummins and a 6sp manual GCWR is 21000 lbs with a 3.73, and 23000 lbs with 4.10 gearing- So I figure your dodge weighs another 6k or so, 8 with tools and people, so... even then, thats still only 19000 lbs, your safe. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
My trail rig weighs 9100 full of fuel and tools. Yes I am working on lowering that weight... Trailer weighs 4300 pounds empty. So with an 8k loaded dodge and the trailer and trail rig thats 21,400. Where did you get the GCWR ratings from? My truck is a 5 speed 03, it has a lower rating than the 6 speed HO's.
EDIT: Just looked it up and my GCWR is 20,000 with my 4.10 axle ratio. My Dodge's curb weight empty is 7440 so lets bump your number up to about 8500 with me, fuel, and a few tools and spares (most are carried on trail rig). So with that it's at 21,900 /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif
EDIT: Just looked it up and my GCWR is 20,000 with my 4.10 axle ratio. My Dodge's curb weight empty is 7440 so lets bump your number up to about 8500 with me, fuel, and a few tools and spares (most are carried on trail rig). So with that it's at 21,900 /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif
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So with that it's at 21,900
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You taking that thing to Blazerbash? Could post up your travel itinerary? I want to make sure I am safely in the town of Moab before you come on through with that dangerous, overloaded rig you have there. I would suggest everyone else going to do the same. /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
So with that it's at 21,900
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You taking that thing to Blazerbash? Could post up your travel itinerary? I want to make sure I am safely in the town of Moab before you come on through with that dangerous, overloaded rig you have there. I would suggest everyone else going to do the same. /forums/images/graemlins/whistling.gif
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It might not give him a heart attack, but it may raise his bloodpressure...
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I know you guys are probably just being sarcastic now, but that setup doesn't look bad at all and is less than 10% over the GCWR. Your talking just over 20,000 "combined" weight versus 25-30k in JUST the trailer setup.......so more like 33-38k GCWR when adding the tow vehicle.
Now take your entire outfit (tow vehicle, trailer, and trailrig) and put it ALL on another big trailer being pulled by a standard dually pickup and that's closer to what the picture in the original post shows.
It might not give him a heart attack, but it may raise his bloodpressure...
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I know you guys are probably just being sarcastic now, but that setup doesn't look bad at all and is less than 10% over the GCWR. Your talking just over 20,000 "combined" weight versus 25-30k in JUST the trailer setup.......so more like 33-38k GCWR when adding the tow vehicle.
Now take your entire outfit (tow vehicle, trailer, and trailrig) and put it ALL on another big trailer being pulled by a standard dually pickup and that's closer to what the picture in the original post shows.
skratch
1/2 ton status
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standard dually pickup
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That's the problem, those rigs are very rarely "standard".
The guys that do this for a living have them modified with beefier frames, more springs, larger brakes, engine mods, exhaust brakes . . . But I guess no matter how many times you guys get told this you'll never understand those ore not "standard dually pickups"
I've said it before, I used to work for a local firm that built these rigs up for guys that haul out of auctions like that, those things are closer to mini semi's when they left our shop than they are to 1 ton dually's. Nothing "standard" but the apperance.
standard dually pickup
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That's the problem, those rigs are very rarely "standard".
The guys that do this for a living have them modified with beefier frames, more springs, larger brakes, engine mods, exhaust brakes . . . But I guess no matter how many times you guys get told this you'll never understand those ore not "standard dually pickups"
I've said it before, I used to work for a local firm that built these rigs up for guys that haul out of auctions like that, those things are closer to mini semi's when they left our shop than they are to 1 ton dually's. Nothing "standard" but the apperance.
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standard dually pickup
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That's the problem, those rigs are very rarely "standard".
The guys that do this for a living have them modified with beefier frames, more springs, larger brakes, engine mods, exhaust brakes . . . But I guess no matter how many times you guys get told this you'll never understand those ore not "standard dually pickups"
I've said it before, I used to work for a local firm that built these rigs up for guys that haul out of auctions like that, those things are closer to mini semi's when they left our shop than they are to 1 ton dually's. Nothing "standard" but the apperance.
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You are making the assumption that they modified the trucks. I personally doubt that a lot of these trucks you see have any substantial modifications. The next question is why in the world would you take a new 1-ton dually and add "beefier frames", larger brakes, and more springs, etc, etc.... when it would be cheaper to just buy a bigger truck (ie. F-450, F-550, etc....). Sure, airbags in the rear and performance boxes are easy add-ons, but "beefier frames" and bigger brakes aren't exactly quick and cheap bolt-ons. Besides, how exactly do you add "beefier frames" to a new truck???
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standard dually pickup
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That's the problem, those rigs are very rarely "standard".
The guys that do this for a living have them modified with beefier frames, more springs, larger brakes, engine mods, exhaust brakes . . . But I guess no matter how many times you guys get told this you'll never understand those ore not "standard dually pickups"
I've said it before, I used to work for a local firm that built these rigs up for guys that haul out of auctions like that, those things are closer to mini semi's when they left our shop than they are to 1 ton dually's. Nothing "standard" but the apperance.
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You are making the assumption that they modified the trucks. I personally doubt that a lot of these trucks you see have any substantial modifications. The next question is why in the world would you take a new 1-ton dually and add "beefier frames", larger brakes, and more springs, etc, etc.... when it would be cheaper to just buy a bigger truck (ie. F-450, F-550, etc....). Sure, airbags in the rear and performance boxes are easy add-ons, but "beefier frames" and bigger brakes aren't exactly quick and cheap bolt-ons. Besides, how exactly do you add "beefier frames" to a new truck???
BlueBlazer
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when it would be cheaper to just buy a bigger truck (ie. F-450, F-550
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Because not everyone wants a Ford, and by the way a lot of Fords I see are 450s and 550 with western hauler beds.
when it would be cheaper to just buy a bigger truck (ie. F-450, F-550
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Because not everyone wants a Ford, and by the way a lot of Fords I see are 450s and 550 with western hauler beds.
Muley
1/2 ton status
I have stayed out this, mainly cause I have been laughing to hard. Personally I want a Kodiak crew cab, with a CAT/Allison combo. That would be my ultimate tow rig. But they are way pricey.
I do like to see the pics that everyone has posted. Good stuff.
Drive careful, and to each their own.
I do like to see the pics that everyone has posted. Good stuff.
Drive careful, and to each their own.
skratch
1/2 ton status
I mis spoke on that, not beefier frames, but the frames are beefed up, like boxed, re enforced . . .
Those kind of frame mods.
And like others said, not everyone wants a Ford, most of the rigs that were in the shop when I worked there were Chevys. ANd I"m willing to bet if you checked those rigs, 90% of the ones you see on the road are modified in a similar fashion. I don't doubt that there are guys out there running unmodified rigs pulling way more than they can handle and sure I think it's dangerous.
But I can tell you that the rigs we built were safe and could handle those loads no problem.
As to the trucks in the original post, who knows. They could very well be stock, I doubt it, but that's just me.
Those kind of frame mods.
And like others said, not everyone wants a Ford, most of the rigs that were in the shop when I worked there were Chevys. ANd I"m willing to bet if you checked those rigs, 90% of the ones you see on the road are modified in a similar fashion. I don't doubt that there are guys out there running unmodified rigs pulling way more than they can handle and sure I think it's dangerous.
But I can tell you that the rigs we built were safe and could handle those loads no problem.
As to the trucks in the original post, who knows. They could very well be stock, I doubt it, but that's just me.
First of all, I definitely didn't say that everybody should run out a buy a Ford..........I was simply using the F-450/550 as an example (hence the "ie.") of a bigger truck /forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
It could be true, but I still can't imagine people buying a brand new truck and taking it to a shop where they start doing serious frame and drivetrain modifications. I'm pretty sure that the amount of money a shop would charge to do this level of modifications would easily pay for a heavier truck............how about a C4500 "Topkick" this time so everybody doesn't go out on a Ford tangent. Hmmm......up to 17,500 GVW, Duramax, Allison tranny............all for about the same price as dually pickup..........
It could be true, but I still can't imagine people buying a brand new truck and taking it to a shop where they start doing serious frame and drivetrain modifications. I'm pretty sure that the amount of money a shop would charge to do this level of modifications would easily pay for a heavier truck............how about a C4500 "Topkick" this time so everybody doesn't go out on a Ford tangent. Hmmm......up to 17,500 GVW, Duramax, Allison tranny............all for about the same price as dually pickup..........
What about this?
Pookster
1/2 ton status
I got the numbers off the dodge website- Not certain if it was different in 03 vs 04, 5spd vs 6 spd..
Damn, im just jelous of your tow rig. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Damn, im just jelous of your tow rig. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Pookster
1/2 ton status
What exactly could they beef up?
the Frame on a an IFS 2500 vs 3500 are virtually identical-(except for the 3500HD). THe dually isnt any bigger (frame wise). Perhaps the brakes are bigger. Axles arent significantly different.
So where are the differences? im just really curious, thats all, because realistically, where are the differences between a 2500 SRW and a 3500 SRW?
the Frame on a an IFS 2500 vs 3500 are virtually identical-(except for the 3500HD). THe dually isnt any bigger (frame wise). Perhaps the brakes are bigger. Axles arent significantly different.
So where are the differences? im just really curious, thats all, because realistically, where are the differences between a 2500 SRW and a 3500 SRW?
I get all my info from http://www.dodge.com/towing/D/home.html
