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Abandoned 73-75 K5 Kane Creek

It would be nice to find out the owner and contact them, maybe check with Sheriff's Office or Moab PD and see if they know anything about it.

Get one of the vin #'s off of it and go from there.
 
jtrapani said:
You should ask more questions before you get pissed.
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No..


You want this for parts, and were/are ready to jump on it and even asked specific questions pertaining to that fact. Your intentions are dishonorable no matter what rule book or law you try to hide behind or use to justify it.


Its not your vehicle, its not your land and its not even remotely your problem. The right action is to contact the police/sheriff and they contact the owner or the correct agency with responsibility to remove it. Not some ****ing greedy vulture.


You are simply wanting to benefit from a fellow wheelers bad luck, mechanical failure, vehicle theft, medical emergency..hell could be out of gas. Its not a abandoned vehicle or ins fraud it a 2500.00 dollar blazer for christ sake.


I stand firmly on what I said in my above post.
 
Well said I agree with the last post completely. Not your business unless you are the one notifying the police about it. Let them take care of things. If it's your friends truck then sure go get it and help them out. Past that good deal posting it just to see if it belongs to someone around here.
 
K5dreamer said:
see post #9
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they're apparently unable to comprehend what I said. To get an abandoned title you have to get the vin (make sure its not a stolen vehicle so you're not caught in possession of a stolen vehicle) then tell the DMV that you would like to apply for said abandoned title. The DMV then contacts the registered owner of the truck via numerous letters. If they want the truck they just claim it and pick it up, no harm done. If they don't want it they can just ignore the letters or they can be nice and hand over the title. If i need to spell it out any further then I will.

So if nobody picks this truck up, which may very well be abandoned, it will just sit in moab until it becomes target practice thus making the BLM very angry and giving more fodder for argument that 4x4's shouldn't be allowed on the trails???? That makes a bunch of sense.

Please, let me know if any of this isn't clear and I'll draw you a picture with some crayons.
 
The police won't move it unless it is stolen, which is why i said that i would get the vin and check with them. How is this so hard for you guys to grasp????
 
the reason I asked if it had a motor was because it would be much easier to see if it could run and drive it rather that tow it. Not for parts. I have two running blazers. What would I need parts for???
 
jtrapani said:
they're apparently unable to comprehend what I said. To get an abandoned title you have to get the vin (make sure its not a stolen vehicle so you're not caught in possession of a stolen vehicle) then tell the DMV that you would like to apply for said abandoned title. The DMV then contacts the registered owner of the truck via numerous letters. If they want the truck they just claim it and pick it up, no harm done. If they don't want it they can just ignore the letters or they can be nice and hand over the title. If i need to spell it out any further then I will.

So if nobody picks this truck up, which may very well be abandoned, it will just sit in moab until it becomes target practice thus making the BLM very angry and giving more fodder for argument that 4x4's shouldn't be allowed on the trails???? That makes a bunch of sense.

Please, let me know if any of this isn't clear and I'll draw you a picture with some crayons.
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i see absolutely nothing wrong with that course of action. my post was for the benifit of all involved. while certainly not every car on the side of the road is carrion for vultures, very certainly there are some that the owners are never coming back to. there was a crane in new jersey i wanted to get my hands on because it had an old 6v53 detroit diesel in it, but the area was private property and the owner never got back to me, but that crane hadnt moved for probably 40 years. so i had to walk away in frustration. but im sure that ol screamin jimmy would be much happier in my hands than rusting away to nothing.
 
my post wasn't directed toward you. You get it. The others don't. Thanks for the understanding though.
 
Shawn

I think your getting your panties all in a wad over wording. By doing things the legal way, he is not taking advantage of someones misfortune. If they want the the thing they can have it after they pay the County/BLM whomever the tow bill to get their abandoned vehicle off the trail.

Most likely someone took it there to dump it and figure that it will take a long time to get caught. In this case someone ends up with it. In my county it would be in a abandoned vehicle auction held a few times a year where the minimum bid is $50.

By the way: This is exactly the way I ended up with the front 60 in my buggy for $300. I saw an obvious abandoned truck beside the road. I called the police and they actually already knew who it belonged to and got me in touch with the guy. I gave him $$ he gave me a vehicle that had been on his property for years with little known history.

Did I take advantage of someones misfortune? I don't think so.
 
if I pick this up and the owner wants it i wouldn't charge a towing fee because I would be the one dragging it out (or driving it if I could trail fix it). He could just have it back and i get a trip to Moab. Everybody wins.
 
jtrapani said:
if I pick this up and the owner wants it i wouldn't charge a towing fee because I would be the one dragging it out (or driving it if I could trail fix it). He could just have it back and i get a trip to Moab. Everybody wins.
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Well, what are you waiting for? Time to log off and hook up the trailer.
 
jtrapani said:
if I pick this up and the owner wants it i wouldn't charge a towing fee because I would be the one dragging it out (or driving it if I could trail fix it). He could just have it back and i get a trip to Moab. Everybody wins.
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assuming the owner was so understanding. remember, no good deed goes unpunished. you may have every intention of returning it to the PO, but if youve removed it before involving the authorities, the PO could decide to press charges for vehicle theft.

I wouldnt move it until you touched base with either the popo or the PO. just to cover your a$$.


afterthought - i used PO to reference the previous... or current owner of the truck in question.
 
I never assumed anyone wanted to steal this truck in the thread. I think it was more commenting on how nice the truck is and wishing we had one like it.
 
jtrapani said:
if I pick this up and the owner wants it i wouldn't charge a towing fee because I would be the one dragging it out (or driving it if I could trail fix it). He could just have it back and i get a trip to Moab. Everybody wins.
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its still not your place. You would be on the wrong end of a gun, knife or my bumper indented on your head if I returtned and saw you even touching my truck.

Your not a liceenced or registed towing company, your just an ass who wants to benifit from someones problem. Untill asked by owner you have no place touching this thing.
 
jtrapani said:
they're apparently unable to comprehend what I said. To get an abandoned title you have to get the vin (make sure its not a stolen vehicle so you're not caught in possession of a stolen vehicle) then tell the DMV that you would like to apply for said abandoned title. The DMV then contacts the registered owner of the truck via numerous letters. If they want the truck they just claim it and pick it up, no harm done. If they don't want it they can just ignore the letters or they can be nice and hand over the title. If i need to spell it out any further then I will.

So if nobody picks this truck up, which may very well be abandoned, it will just sit in moab until it becomes target practice thus making the BLM very angry and giving more fodder for argument that 4x4's shouldn't be allowed on the trails???? That makes a bunch of sense.

Please, let me know if any of this isn't clear and I'll draw you a picture with some crayons.
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Its not on your ****ing land. Now crayons needed, you're the one being dense. If the truck was broke down and you tow it off it is now stolen. You are not licensed, contracted or a legal towing or impound operation.

http://www.le.state.ut.us/UtahCode/getCodeSection?code=72-9-603
 
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We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the constitution.

- Abe Lincoln


totally off topic, but thats an awesome quote.


back on topic, I dont think there is any need for anyone here to be getting all upset, on either side of the discussion. I dont think anyone here is against getting free stuff, so long as its legal and "un-shady". And there is a valid concern about the image of four wheelers being negitively impacted by the "litter" of an entire truck left on the trail to rot away and possibly leak fluids etc. etc.

What it boils down to IMHO is three possible senarios,

1. truck broke down, owner will be back to get it. Maybe even took the tires him/herself in order to make it harder to steal while left behind.

2. stolen truck, driven out to nowhere, stripped for valuable parts, and left where it was.

3. truck broke down, but was an expendable plaything, owner no longer wants it, and left it with no intention on returning to retreive it. In which case, except for a few legal snags, its really up for grabs.

I personally know guys who bought trucks cheap, that were basket cases, drove them out into the woods and wheeled them till the wheels fell off, had a good laugh about it, hopped in a second truck and drove home. so yes, it happens.

The issue at hand here, as I see it, is not that anyone has a problem with removing the truck, or even taking it home. We'd all love to get it for free if youre being honest. Its simply a matter of doing it according to the letter of the law. So that your ass is covered, and a fellow truck entusiast dosnt get screwed in the process because his truck gets claimed.

I stick by my statement in post #9, get the vin, go to the DMV, and get the owners info, contact them, and get the story strait from the horses mouth. The way i see it, that turns out one of three ways...

1. The owner confirms they are in a bad spot, want the truck but cant get it out. jtrapani has already said he would offer to tow it out free of charge, which is a commendable action to take to help out a fellow wheeler.

2. You help a fellow truck owner locate his stolen rig, good karma no matter how you look at it.

3. He openly states you can have the hunk of junk, he's over it, wants nothing to do with it, and has the title that he can sign over to you.

No harm, no foul.

cant we all just.... get along???? i feel like we need a campfire to make s'mores and sing kum by ya around...... geebus.
 
ok, i retract my statement from post #9, i just read through a whole crap ton of legal jargon at the va dmv website, short version, you need a cop to contact the vehicles previous owner. So skip the DMV, you might try swinging by the local police department to have them contact the previous owner and see what the story on the truck is.
 
Around here (Colorado) it is generally accepted practice that if a vehicle is found on public lands with wheels and tires missing and in general looking like it has been abandoned the Owner of the land (FS, BLM etc.) will have the vehicle towed out. Usually if said vehicle is in a position that a commercial wrecker can't get to it the land Owner will have the local club or qualified people tow or drag the vehicle to an area that a wrecker can get to it.

All that needs to happen is for someone to call the local PD or the land owner (in this case the BLM) to inform them there is a potential abandoned vehicle on the trail. Chances are they already know and are going through the steps to have it removed. Once the vehicle is removed it will be impounded and if not claimed by the original owner, the towing company (or land owner) will become the new owner. At that point the the vehicle legally can be sold or destroyed.

In this case these guys are talking about taking the right legal steps and if they do they will not be breaking any laws, stealing or doing something that they are not there rightfully to do. The BLM isn't going to let Joe blow off the street go get the vehicle with out them being involved heavily.

In know that in Shawns world they deal with people stealing things off vehicles as soon as they are unattended, and sometimes perhaps even while they are. That is an unfortunate result of the proximity they are to large population centers that also house the losers that would steal this sort of thing. I don't think anybody is trying to steal this they just see what it is.

A vehicle that is probably good for something that will be destroyed by some punks if not retrieved and put to good use (through legally accepted methods).
 
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