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Aluminum vs Copper radiator

My favorite solution is to use cooler air through the radiator :dunno: . For example, it's 58 degrees here now, all the engines run cool, A/C is more efficient and the engine makes more power, so win/win.
When I first got my 76 k5 with the Perkins TD, it had a big radiator, but no fan.
I drove it like that for 2 years, never had a problem other than sometimes not enough heat from the heater.
After I started taking it on hard trails and working it with no movement to create airflow it started getting hot, so I ended up putting a 12" electric fan on it.
I miss that truck.
I kept the engine and it will be going in my crew cab build
 
With factory fuel injected small blocks GM thought 220* was the upper "normal" limit. I haven't done any math on it, whether it actually would help or not, I like to keep the temperature swings a bit tighter, just in case thermal expansion is somehow critical in those ranges. It can't hurt to keep temps more stable.

195* was pretty much the standard factory GM thermostat temp since the start of emissions...very few GM's were prone to overheating in factory conditions. Doesn't mean you can't do better than they did, but also doesn't mean a lower temperature thermostat should be necessary to keep an engines temp under control for most applications. Crawling in extreme heat with big tires, big engine, stacked coolers and wanting effective AC is going to need an effective cooling setup.

Don't forget...the thermostat is there to set MINIMUM engine temperature. Once it's open, the cooling fan, radiator and water pump are the only things you've got to keep temperatures from increasing. Lower temp thermostats do nothing for overheating, except potentially giving you a bit more time before engine temps are higher than you want. Whether a thermostat opens at 160* or 195* has zero bearing on the engine getting to 215*...at best, only how long it takes to reach that temp.

Physics does not bear out the coolant moving too fast theory. There is one instance that trying to move coolant too fast can cause issues. If the pump cavitates, which isn't likely for those spinning pumps at "normal" engine speeds. Very simple way to look at it...if system A pushes all coolant through the radiator once a minute, and system B pushes all coolant through the radiator twice in one minute, you've effectively doubled the size of the radiator assuming you can shed the heat. That's for the fan/airflow over the radiator to handle.

Also note that the cutouts in the core support are nowhere near as large as the radiator itself, especially when looking at big block and diesel radiators, meaning coolant capacity is likely a valid consideration as well.

Stagnant coolant boils immediately against the hottest engine metal. Also, radiator cap needs to be functioning properly. Pressure is what really raises the boiling point of your coolant, boiling coolant is not good. Little sleight of hand from the coolant manufacturers...yes, antifreeze raises the boiling point, but nowhere near what your radiator cap does.

The colder coolant starts out, the faster (and more) it can absorb heat. Slowing coolant down does what? Raises coolant temp in the engine (leading to boiling), thus decreasing rate of heat absorption, ability to absorb heat, and how much heat it can absorb. Its not as simple as more heat absorbed = better.

As mentioned before, idle temperature issues are almost certainly airflow. A mechanical fan may be rated at 5000CFM, but at what RPM? Probably NOT idle. A single speed electric fan is whatever CFM it's rated at, independent of engine speed.

Having gone with an LT1 electric fan setup (likely nowhere near as effective as the Windstar fans based on overall size) The primary fan is enough to cool the engine in any condition I've been in thus far. Yes, minimal heat load (Vortec 350, manual trans, no AC, cheap parts store aluminum K5 radiator replacement), however that single little fan has no problem keeping up while pulling a trailer up steep grades or logging roads at 95*. It's still pretty impressive to watch the needle move down when that little fan comes on.

With the proven Windstar fan setup, you'd probably be hard pressed to get better idle cooling from another near drop in replacement.

And the one caveat, as someone always has different experiences: there are a lot of variables at play, people see different results for seemingly unexplained reasons.
 
Wow Dyeager535, that is really an amazing post. I’ve learned from you all that I have an airflow problem at slow speeds. So many people I see at car shows have the same problem and so far, not many people have really figured out the secret sauce. They add pusher fans and/or turn off the AC.

And thank you for the nugget about wind speeds between the mechanical and electric fans. Well noted, I’m not getting anywhere near 5000 CFM at idle.

I’m gonna move my oil cooler, leaving one less stack and put the severe duty clutch on. If that doesn’t work, I’ll drop in the WindStar fans and probably never look back.

Best forum in the world guys. I really appreciate everybody who responds and for all of the great advice and if nothing else, sharing your experience.
 
Welp, you’re not going to believe this…just installed the severe duty fan clutch, took it for a ride and no AC compressor action! After all this time, it’s decided to not cycle. So, cooling problem solved!
 
Welp, you’re not going to believe this…just installed the severe duty fan clutch, took it for a ride and no AC compressor action! After all this time, it’s decided to not cycle. So, cooling problem solved!
But the most important thing is that you are not forcing hot underhood air through the radiator in the wrong direction.

Correction - I just realized that when I made this statement I was thinking of another cooling issue thread that has a counter clockwise fan in the wrong application.
Sorry for any confusion.
 
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I think so, what I found was the one I had was a standard rotation. This is the one I got. Seems like some air is moving in the right direction. But still can’t hear the fan at all.

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I will say it is not 100% centered on the water pump pulley. It does wobble ever so slightly. But there is no adjustment to be had. It fits over that pin, for lack a better term, on the water pump very snuggly.
Maybe just a normal thing. I never noticed my other one.
 
I will say it is not 100% centered on the water pump pulley. It does wobble ever so slightly. But there is no adjustment to be had. It fits over that pin, for lack a better term, on the water pump very snuggly.
Maybe just a normal thing. I never noticed my other one.
There should be no wobble to it at all - was there a brass bushing packaged in the box with the fan clutch ?
If there is a misalignment or wobble it will cause the water pump shaft bearings to wear out prematurely.

I think ICEMAN44 was asking about the fan and clutch as a unit because they both need to work as a combo being rotated in the proper direction.
 
Thanks for bringing that to my attention guys. I guess I’ve never really looked at the fan without my shroud on. To me the picture looks like it’s correct. Fan should be pulling air turning clockwise.
I’m trying it again, this time loosening the belts so I can turn the pulley and maybe more evenly tighten it up.

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Upon reinstallation, I noticed that the pin is too small. And to TARussell‘s point, there was no bushing provided. So, that’s where my problem is at. And maybe compounded by my aluminum pulley, which is thicker than the steel pulley letting less of that nipple show. Anyway, headed to Napa here shortly to get a new one, hopefully it fits.
 
Those pin/snouts on water pumps can vary in size depending on manufacturer and this is why many fan clutches come with a loose bushing packaged in the box.

Also the more engagement on the snout the better the stability for the fan and clutch - that’s a lot of weight and force connected there so the thicker aluminum pulley isn’t the best option.
 
Ta-da! What a difference the right size pin hole makes. Got a severe duty at the local Napa, cost me twice as much, but it works and no wobble. Appreciate you guys again. I would’ve probably just ran that until my water pump crapped out. I hadn’t installed a clutch fan in over 20 years.
So basically, it looks like they make a 3/4” inch and a 5/8” hole.
 
And I’ll have to keep an eye on the pulley. There was a half inch of snout. So it’s definitely centered.
 
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