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any1 here using nitrous......from what i understand n2o is used only for its oxygen content and the inert nitrogen just passes thru and out w/exhaust. more oxygen..thats why it uses a secondary fuel supply. so why not spray o2 or o3?
i've read up on it some and it appears it has been tried, but nhra outlawed it in the early 60s(b4 my time).....because of its effect in explosions....n20 causes explosions also....nascar outlawed the superbird and daytona, b/c nobody could beat them.....maybe straight oxygen had such a fate....do you think it could be used safely?
 
blazin_blazer said:
any1 here using nitrous......from what i understand n2o is used only for its oxygen content and the inert nitrogen just passes thru and out w/exhaust. more oxygen..thats why it uses a secondary fuel supply. so why not spray o2 or o3?
i've read up on it some and it appears it has been tried, but nhra outlawed it in the early 60s(b4 my time).....because of its effect in explosions....n20 causes explosions also....nascar outlawed the superbird and daytona, b/c nobody could beat them.....maybe straight oxygen had such a fate....do you think it could be used safely?
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Straight oxygen is too explosive, N20 is only explosive when inside the motor (more or less). Pure Oxygen is very explosive in this state.

The bottles would need to be much bigger, thicker, heavier to endure the pressures needed to keep oxygen in a liquid state.

http://www.justsayn2o.com/nitrous.racing.html
 
Don't forget that if you add more oxygen with nitrous you need to add more fuel to to avoid a lean condition. Nitrous also cools the intake charge as well as it cools as it expands.
 
BGKYK5 said:
Don't forget that if you add more oxygen with nitrous you need to add more fuel to to avoid a lean condition. Nitrous also cools the intake charge as well as it cools as it expands.
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Good point about the cooling.
 
blazin_blazer said:
any1 here using nitrous......from what i understand n2o is used only for its oxygen content and the inert nitrogen just passes thru and out w/exhaust. more oxygen..thats why it uses a secondary fuel supply. so why not spray o2 or o3?
i've read up on it some and it appears it has been tried, but nhra outlawed it in the early 60s(b4 my time).....because of its effect in explosions....n20 causes explosions also....nascar outlawed the superbird and daytona, b/c nobody could beat them.....maybe straight oxygen had such a fate....do you think it could be used safely?
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pure oxygen is to dangerous due to explosion and breathing it. IIRC it is also highly corrosive. N20 is basically nonexplosive a a gas or liquid and doesn't hurt you onless you are intentionaly inhaling it.
 
I knew someone who decided to inhale it, a lot of it. Needless to say they are no longer with us.
 
that seems weird b/c it has more oxygen than the atmosphere, looks like it would provide adequite oxygen, unless your lungs can't absorb it b/c its bound to nitrogen or i know straight nitrogen can fill your lungs and you can't exhale it, maybe thats what happened he inhaled enuff to wind up with lungs full of the nitrogen.

i worked at a nitrogen plant once pipelining, and they told us in case of emergency to pick them up upside down, and then perform cpr....i take it that you were actually pouring the nitrogen out of their lungs by turning them upside down, so you could blow air back in them, i believe that would mean that nitrogen is heavier than air and actually allowing you to "pour" it out of them.
 
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really.....hmmm......why.....how.......i know when they dive super deep in the ocean they breathe liquid, they have to learn to cough it up and breath air when they come up....they say after they cough up the liquid their lungs burn from the air for awhile...i thought it was straight o2....or iirc o3 is liquid and o2 is gasous

edit....now that i think about it liquid o3 is way cold as is any liquid o2, i wounder what type of liquid they are breathing
 
N2O itself doesn't burn. At 565 degrees F (IIRC) the N2 separates from the O and the oxygen burns. The N2 passes on through.

Breathing straight oxygen won't kill you though. It might hurt you after a long period of time though. I know U2 pilots breath O2 for an hour before every flight to purge the nitrogen from their blood.
 
when i was in usmc, my job was radar tech and the tacan in the plane(MOS 5952, Air Traffic Control Navigational Aids Technician), and i've seen the officers comk in w/ hangover and breathe the high concentrate oxygen in the planes, they swore it took the hangover away!
 
I suffered from smoke inhalation during a fire long time ago. Pretty sure they put me on straight oxygen from a tank that looked just like and oxygen tank for a torch but smaller.

I believe Athlete's will breath straight oxygen before an event to oxygenate their blood and have greater stamina.

Technically Oxygen doesn't burn but rather supports the "burning or oxidation" of other fuels.

EDIT, and back on topic, Nitrous oxide is adding an oxidizer to your combustion chamber in higher volumes. This allows you to add more fuel to bring the mixture back to a stoichiometric mixture. More fuel and more oxidizer means more power. So, in essence, the bottle does the same thing for you as a super charger, blower or turbo or any of the other devices that cram air into the cylinder. It all still has to be offset with more fuel.
 
O3 is Ozone and is not something that you want to breathe. It is a gas at its normal state. It will eat a latex glove so I would not mess with it.
 
blazin_blazer said:
when i was in usmc, my job was radar tech and the tacan in the plane(MOS 5952, Air Traffic Control Navigational Aids Technician), and i've seen the officers comk in w/ hangover and breathe the high concentrate oxygen in the planes, they swore it took the hangover away!
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I can neither confirm nor deny that someone I know has done this and it works perfectly!
 
ARAMP1 said:
N2O itself doesn't burn. At 565 degrees F (IIRC) the N2 separates from the O and the oxygen burns. The N2 passes on through.

Breathing straight oxygen won't kill you though. It might hurt you after a long period of time though. I know U2 pilots breath O2 for an hour before every flight to purge the nitrogen from their blood.
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Pilots can get away with it due to the pressure change at higher altitudes. For a short duration almost everyone ,except scuba divers, can get away with it. IIRC anything above 60% oxygen at sealevel is fatal
 
IIRC Nitrous from a bottle is the same stuff as the dentist uses, but with one important difference - the purity. Nitrous for your engine has trace amounts of other stuff that can kill you, nitrous from the dentist doesn't (and is therefore more expensive), though both can kill if you overdose.
 
I work with pressurized O2 daily and have worked with liquid O2. One thing you need to know is that if you have an O2 leak and it get to some grease, it WILL self ignite the grease! Of course, the concentation of O2 has to be high enough (don't know the ppm for that to happen). So if you try it, be carefull. Also you have to have a special tank to hold liquid O2 and it will boil off over time if not used. We used to have to fill up a small medical tank on a weekly basis whether it was used or not because of the evaporation.
 
how does it escape the valve and a sealed cylinder? we used to have these big huge liquid oxy tanks, (we called them oxgen generators)....they would frost up on the outside w/ 3 torches running off 1 tank...and i thought it was labeled o3....
 
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