k20
3/4 ton status
Me and zentree were at walmart last nite, they had a gallon of acetone (100%) for 13 or 14 bucks a gallon. Im not being a guiney pig w/ my 496, someone run it on a mpfi for a couple months, see what you get.
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Anyone seen this gas mileage idea???????
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I threw in about 3 ounces with 14.8 gallons on sunday...in my wife's POS XJ. 
The previous tank before the acetone was a pathetic 13.8 mpg. So far it seems to be using less fuel for the miles we've driven. It gets driven the exact same route each day, and I'm driving it the same way. On Sunday I'll fill it again and see if there is any real improvement...then prolly add a couple more ounces of acetone.
FWIW the 4.0 is port injection...seems to run the same as before.
Rene
The previous tank before the acetone was a pathetic 13.8 mpg. So far it seems to be using less fuel for the miles we've driven. It gets driven the exact same route each day, and I'm driving it the same way. On Sunday I'll fill it again and see if there is any real improvement...then prolly add a couple more ounces of acetone.
FWIW the 4.0 is port injection...seems to run the same as before.
Rene
Any updates?
Filling it up tomorrow...still looks like a coin toss to me. If there is any improvement I'll run it in a second tank and up date again.
Rene
Rene
rpellicer
Registered Member
Here is something interesting. A patent for an additive in the 80's used acetone (in addition to other ingredients.) A test was run with varying amounts of acetone in the mix. The results can be seen here:
US Patent 4,376,636
The patent aparently does claim that ketones do help the combustion process, and is backed up by real testing.
US Patent 4,376,636
The patent aparently does claim that ketones do help the combustion process, and is backed up by real testing.
beastofablaze
1/2 ton status
What about the stuff that comes in a bottle... you know the stuff that was actually made to improve gas mileage? I don't see why you would use acetone when you can run some other stuff that is made to run in a motor for about the same price.
rpellicer
Registered Member
Another interesting fact:
Berryman's B-12 is at least 20% acetone. (3 oz.)
B-
12 MSDS
Their octane booster is at least 5% acetone. (.75 oz.)
Go Go MSDS
And their premium gas treatment is at least 15% acetone. (2.25 oz.)
Premium Gas Treatment MSDS
So if all the chem engineers at Berryman's thought acetone would be good as an additive, then why not try it?
Berryman's B-12 is at least 20% acetone. (3 oz.)
B-
12 MSDS
Their octane booster is at least 5% acetone. (.75 oz.)
Go Go MSDS
And their premium gas treatment is at least 15% acetone. (2.25 oz.)
Premium Gas Treatment MSDS
So if all the chem engineers at Berryman's thought acetone would be good as an additive, then why not try it?
beastofablaze
1/2 ton status
cause nobody has run it long enough to know if it causes long term damage.
PhoenixZorn
1/2 ton status
The guy who wrote the original article had fuel system parts soaking in 20% acetone for 6 months... that's not long enough for you?
*****UPDATE*****
After my first tank of acetone aided gas, I improved my mileage from 12.69 to 15mpg... I travelled 340-350 miles on 20 gallons of gas, 90% of which was 65mph highway speed... I even do 65 on the freeway where I could get away with 75 or 80 and not worry about a ticket. The loss of mileage just doesn't justify it though. Previously, I had only gone 240-270 miles on 20 gallons of gas, so this is a huge improvement.
Even with the 327, which should have gotten slightly better mileage being stock, than my 295hp 350... was only getting 10-12 mpg on the highway. I also drove like a dick with the 327, but yeah... I've been hard on the pedal in town with the 350 too, and still get 15mpg. I'll update further with the next tank. In the mean time, I'm writing an excel worksheet to calculate and record my miles and gas fillups. I'm hoping someone else has already done this with a diesel, as I may need justification in a year or so to do a 6.2 swap into my Blazer...
1. Because I like diesels...
2. Because I'm getting a whole 6.2 '82 dumptruck with a d60 and 14bff for $2000...
3. Because I'll get even better mileage.
*****UPDATE*****
After my first tank of acetone aided gas, I improved my mileage from 12.69 to 15mpg... I travelled 340-350 miles on 20 gallons of gas, 90% of which was 65mph highway speed... I even do 65 on the freeway where I could get away with 75 or 80 and not worry about a ticket. The loss of mileage just doesn't justify it though. Previously, I had only gone 240-270 miles on 20 gallons of gas, so this is a huge improvement.
Even with the 327, which should have gotten slightly better mileage being stock, than my 295hp 350... was only getting 10-12 mpg on the highway. I also drove like a dick with the 327, but yeah... I've been hard on the pedal in town with the 350 too, and still get 15mpg. I'll update further with the next tank. In the mean time, I'm writing an excel worksheet to calculate and record my miles and gas fillups. I'm hoping someone else has already done this with a diesel, as I may need justification in a year or so to do a 6.2 swap into my Blazer...
1. Because I like diesels...
2. Because I'm getting a whole 6.2 '82 dumptruck with a d60 and 14bff for $2000...
3. Because I'll get even better mileage.
beastofablaze
1/2 ton status
no.... most motors will have a life of 10+ years... and your going to trust your motor to a guy who wrote something on the internet? were the parts fuel injection or carb? what did the parts include?
I will never try this, i am just trying to make sure people don't think they found a way to save gas and 3 years later they find rubber in their oil....
I will never try this, i am just trying to make sure people don't think they found a way to save gas and 3 years later they find rubber in their oil....
beater_k20
Banned
engines dont typically have to "last" me 3 years anyways, i like to revamp things once in a while. thanks for looking out for me.beastofablaze said:
if i can save a boatload on gas, i'll do just about anything.
OK, update from me too. I just filled up our Jeep XJ again, same pump, same everything. Travelled 177.6 miles on 13.85 US gallons of gas this time. The previous tank without acetone netted us 13.83 mpg. This tank with acetone netted us 12.82 mpg.
So far I feel like a mythbuster. I went to the same station, used the same pump and stopped after two clicks both times.
Also, if we're gonna be getting under 13 mpg I'd sure like to be driving something cooler than an XJ.
Rene
So far I feel like a mythbuster. I went to the same station, used the same pump and stopped after two clicks both times.
Also, if we're gonna be getting under 13 mpg I'd sure like to be driving something cooler than an XJ.
Rene
esponet
Registered Member
i have used zylene(sp) in my car. no problem i did not noticed increase gas milage but i did noticed that the car don't detonate. (13:1 comp) but imo. at about $10 to a gallon (lowes) its cheaper to just fill up on 100octane. (30% zylene and 70% 91=close to 100octane) so again i think if it did increase milage it won't be by much and the extra savings in increase in milage will= extra money spent on buying zylene (or acetone)
ohh and btw, that stuff eats through rubber in time. so i would not recomend long term use. if you do use it tank after tank... expect to replace injector O rings, rubber fuel lines and stuff
ohh and btw, that stuff eats through rubber in time. so i would not recomend long term use. if you do use it tank after tank... expect to replace injector O rings, rubber fuel lines and stuff
beastofablaze
1/2 ton status
that was everybody except you...
its been said.... about fifty times in this post but since the article says he soaked em in 20% for 6 months
there are doubts about what this stuff does to rubber. rpellicer
Registered Member
beastofablaze said:
B-12 Chemtool has been on the market for almost 50 years, is on the shelf of just about every parts store in America, and contains 3 oz. of acetone (the amount being debated in this thread.) Can you trust your motor to them?
BTW, I wrote Berryman's to ask their EXPERT opinion on using acetone. I'll post their reply once I get one.
Fierospeeder
Banned
So has ANYONE achieved an extra 20mpg ????????
The thing with B-12. They sell their products as an additive, and not a product to increase your MPG by 50%.
Of course your going to see a few miles per gal increase because you are cleaning your engine with acetone. Just like fuel injection cleaning additives help clean injectors, valves and the insides of the combustion chamber. And doesn't that increase your mpg by a slight amount.
Anyone want to compare their acetone figures to what their vehicle was advertised in fuel economy?
If this stuff really worked, which it doesn't, as a "dramatic" fuel mileage improver. Your 454 k30 truck would go from 7mpg to a 30mpg and get better mpg then a ford escort.
BTW, that spark plug link i provided is bogus. Anyone who has an electrical engineering degree can tell you that it's a crock. JC whitney sold fire injectors back in the 70s that advertised dramatic mpg increase. That didn't last too long either. People are still buying those platinum plugs thinking because it has four grounds, a spark plug is going to reinvent physics.
heres some updated links from that site with people that didn't gain 20mpg
http://pesn.com/2005/04/14/6900083_Acetone_Power/
The thing with B-12. They sell their products as an additive, and not a product to increase your MPG by 50%.
Of course your going to see a few miles per gal increase because you are cleaning your engine with acetone. Just like fuel injection cleaning additives help clean injectors, valves and the insides of the combustion chamber. And doesn't that increase your mpg by a slight amount.
Anyone want to compare their acetone figures to what their vehicle was advertised in fuel economy?
If this stuff really worked, which it doesn't, as a "dramatic" fuel mileage improver.
Your 454 k30 truck would go from 7mpg to a 30mpg and get better mpg then a ford escort. BTW, that spark plug link i provided is bogus. Anyone who has an electrical engineering degree can tell you that it's a crock. JC whitney sold fire injectors back in the 70s that advertised dramatic mpg increase. That didn't last too long either. People are still buying those platinum plugs thinking because it has four grounds, a spark plug is going to reinvent physics.
heres some updated links from that site with people that didn't gain 20mpg
http://pesn.com/2005/04/14/6900083_Acetone_Power/
camarossguy2
1/2 ton status
I have some comments to add....
#1. To all of you who say "if it worked, then why aren't the oil companies using it?"
A grad student here at my college wrote a paper on that and presented it to my class. He said that there has been 100s of inventions/inprovements over the past couple decades to internally combusted engines making them super fuel effiecent. he gave alot of examples, ceramic motors, etc....cars getting 50-100mpg. Why have we not seen these? Because the oil companies bought the patents to them, thus stopping the technology.
If there could be an improvement to the engine that cut the gas useage to 1/2 or even a 1/6 of what it is now you know what that would do to them?
They want you to use a much possible. He also talked about the ties from the oil companies to the car manufactures and there huge influence on the way cars are made.
2. unless your car was made for 93 octane, there absolutly no benifit to using it. it will in no way run better, no way give you better MPG and claiming that is purely uneducated.
3. Using such a small amount will cause no damage to your fuel lines. it wont hurt your motor. Now by hurt motor, I mean the actual contact between your motor and the fluid. Its not tested yet on your car, so if for somereason if causes detonation etc...obviosly dont use it.
4. those of you that suck at math and say [hick voice] "$15.99 a gallon??? i could get 7+ gallons of gas for that" [/hick voice]
30 gallon tank 2oz per 10gallon thats only 6oz.
6oz cost .71 cents (if you cant find it cheap like it is here)
gas here is $2.40 a gallon x 30 gal = $72
that $72 gets me 12 mpg
even just a 20% increase gives you 14.4 mpg. 35% like it claims gives 16.2 mpg
so...
12mpgx30gal= 360miles
14.4mpgx30gal= 432 miles
16.2x30gal= 486 miles
432-360 = 72 miles more. 72/12 = 6 gallons more a tank at just 20%. that $0.72 is saving me $14.4 a tank.
some of you guys need to think before you talk otherwise i hope you understand how stupid and uneducated you look.
4. One of you mentions using AVGas in your car and it messing up you motor. Avgas contains lead, whitch some cars dont like. lead clogs injectors, fowls plugs, builds up. what most likely heppend is you had lead build up around your valves causing them not to seat.
Aviation motors are build not aviation gas. car motors may not be.
But its totally unrelated to acetone so wtf?
5. im going to try it, but just in the blazer. works it work great, doesn't then whatever, the 250 in there is a pos anyway
#1. To all of you who say "if it worked, then why aren't the oil companies using it?"
A grad student here at my college wrote a paper on that and presented it to my class. He said that there has been 100s of inventions/inprovements over the past couple decades to internally combusted engines making them super fuel effiecent. he gave alot of examples, ceramic motors, etc....cars getting 50-100mpg. Why have we not seen these? Because the oil companies bought the patents to them, thus stopping the technology.
If there could be an improvement to the engine that cut the gas useage to 1/2 or even a 1/6 of what it is now you know what that would do to them?
They want you to use a much possible. He also talked about the ties from the oil companies to the car manufactures and there huge influence on the way cars are made.
2. unless your car was made for 93 octane, there absolutly no benifit to using it. it will in no way run better, no way give you better MPG and claiming that is purely uneducated.
3. Using such a small amount will cause no damage to your fuel lines. it wont hurt your motor. Now by hurt motor, I mean the actual contact between your motor and the fluid. Its not tested yet on your car, so if for somereason if causes detonation etc...obviosly dont use it.
4. those of you that suck at math and say [hick voice] "$15.99 a gallon??? i could get 7+ gallons of gas for that" [/hick voice]
30 gallon tank 2oz per 10gallon thats only 6oz.
6oz cost .71 cents (if you cant find it cheap like it is here)
gas here is $2.40 a gallon x 30 gal = $72
that $72 gets me 12 mpg
even just a 20% increase gives you 14.4 mpg. 35% like it claims gives 16.2 mpg
so...
12mpgx30gal= 360miles
14.4mpgx30gal= 432 miles
16.2x30gal= 486 miles
432-360 = 72 miles more. 72/12 = 6 gallons more a tank at just 20%. that $0.72 is saving me $14.4 a tank.
some of you guys need to think before you talk otherwise i hope you understand how stupid and uneducated you look.
4. One of you mentions using AVGas in your car and it messing up you motor. Avgas contains lead, whitch some cars dont like. lead clogs injectors, fowls plugs, builds up. what most likely heppend is you had lead build up around your valves causing them not to seat.
Aviation motors are build not aviation gas. car motors may not be.
But its totally unrelated to acetone so wtf?
5. im going to try it, but just in the blazer. works it work great, doesn't then whatever, the 250 in there is a pos anyway
Anyone care to explain losing 1 mpg with acetone? Hell, i was probably driving the POS nicer than usual.
13.83 mpg without acetone
12.82 mpg with acetone
Rene
13.83 mpg without acetone
12.82 mpg with acetone
Rene
I've been quiet on this, but I'm willing to bet $$ that the gains that people see are similar to the "seat of the pants" improvements people see with other "mods" that probably do nothing. You spent money/tried something new, all of a sudden performance, mileage, etc. is better. It HAS to be, right? 
Anyways, my suspicion for those that see increases of a half MPG or so, is that they modified or actually PAID ATTENTION to how they are driving and their increases came from doing things like going a more reasonable speed such as the posted speed limit, not stabbing the gas and letting off a million times a trip, (IE not tailgating, not participating in stop and go traffic) coasting up to lights, etc.
I get 38-40 MPG freeway in a car that is "EPA rated" at 31 freeway, and I get about 32-34 in the city when it's rated around 27. (Sticker is in the glove box if I really need to post up exacts) I reset the trip every tank of gas, calculate every tanks mileage, use the same gas, and try to use the same station and fill technique every tank. Yes, I think I've eliminated as many variables as possible to get an accurate MPG estimate. I've put over 4500 miles on the car, and my MPG has not changed.
I've pulled 18MPG out of my K5 before, according to what MPG most here get, I had of the most economical K5's GM ever produced. In town is fairly consistent at 10-13MPG. I think it has nothing to do with the vehicle, (in a K5 context) and everything to do with how I drive. I'm not bragging, far from it, I can just tell from the way people (still) drive that their economy is due to driving habits more than anything else.
With gas at $2.50+/gallon here, I still see people driving their vehicles at 10+ MPH over the posted limit on every road/hwy I travel, and doing every other un-economical thing you can think of.
Anyways, my suspicion for those that see increases of a half MPG or so, is that they modified or actually PAID ATTENTION to how they are driving and their increases came from doing things like going a more reasonable speed such as the posted speed limit, not stabbing the gas and letting off a million times a trip, (IE not tailgating, not participating in stop and go traffic) coasting up to lights, etc.
I get 38-40 MPG freeway in a car that is "EPA rated" at 31 freeway, and I get about 32-34 in the city when it's rated around 27. (Sticker is in the glove box if I really need to post up exacts) I reset the trip every tank of gas, calculate every tanks mileage, use the same gas, and try to use the same station and fill technique every tank. Yes, I think I've eliminated as many variables as possible to get an accurate MPG estimate. I've put over 4500 miles on the car, and my MPG has not changed.
I've pulled 18MPG out of my K5 before, according to what MPG most here get, I had of the most economical K5's GM ever produced. In town is fairly consistent at 10-13MPG. I think it has nothing to do with the vehicle, (in a K5 context) and everything to do with how I drive. I'm not bragging, far from it, I can just tell from the way people (still) drive that their economy is due to driving habits more than anything else.
With gas at $2.50+/gallon here, I still see people driving their vehicles at 10+ MPH over the posted limit on every road/hwy I travel, and doing every other un-economical thing you can think of.
camarossguy2 said:
those examples don't apply in this case... there is no patent on Acetone and it'd be impossible to stop people from adding it. It'd be like if adding a cup of water to your gas tank gave you 200 mpg... once word got out, it'd be impossible for "big oil" to stop it. The oil industry is big, but it isn't the all powerful force some left wing kooks describe it as.
we agree here. IMO since acetone is a pretty strong solvent, when you first start using it it may work as a fuel system cleaner and degunk things a bit... this may gain some marginal improvement in MPG... but no more so than using a regular fuel system cleaner on occassion would.
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