ARB for 14-bolt?

[jekquistk5]

I dont understand why someone would want an arb... Yeah they are nice for the front, but the rear why not have a detroit for half the price???

 

[FRIZZLEFRY]

The people I know that have ARBs in the rear live in places that get alot of ice and dont want an auto locker all the time.

I think I could control my Detroit well enough to keep out of trouble but I have never had one on ice so I cant realy say

 

[darkshadow]

i dont know about performance diffs or whats better but i do know two thing

one there friggin expenceive

and there weak, look at the pic i put up

no thanks

 

[k5floyd]

long as i have a 10 bolt front ill be wanting a selectable locker(arb or no arb) because i want to have the diff locked, but be able to unlock it when im on a tight trail, with sharp turns, and lots of bite, so i can keep my 10 bolt front alive. in the rear though, perfectly happy with my detroit, and wouldnt mind replacing an axle. if i ever get a 60 up front though, itll have a detroit.

 

[FRIZZLEFRY]

...and there weak, look at the pic i put up ...

Like nobody has ever blown up a Detroit. I just tossed two broken Detroits last weekend cleaning out my garage.I guess that means that they are weak too huh?

One just broke and one was killed by an axle shaft failure

 

[joez]

Its been snowing here since yesterday at 6:00, there is about 9-11" in my back yard, plus there are near 30mph winds drifting every east/west road over, some drifts high enough for my axles and crossmember to be covered in snow. I have yet to even lock my hubs, and i run a lockright out back. Everybody who says auto lockers suck in snow either has never run one, or drives like a complete moron and blames the locker for their inability to drive in snow covered roads. It drives just fine in snow/ice conditions.

 

[ntaj*ep]

First off they are testing the locker as we speak for the 14b. Second as frizz' said, are they're no trees or snow where you guys live? WTF a guy asks a straight forward question and everyone jumps his a$$ about the part. I have owned many lockers and broken almost everyone, anyone who would like to debate the issue of strength on any part in these trucks can PM me about it.

If theres one thing I have learned from the years I have wheeled is if you haven't broken it your not pushing the limits. Not everyone needs to push it to the extreem that most of us do but those of us that do need to put some things into prespective.
After all its hard to break parts web wheeling, but don't jump someone just because they would like more info on a specific aspect of the sport........

 

[Ryan B.]

But its a spool when ya want it to be a spool.When its off,its open.In a front (or rear) aplication,you dont "need" to be locked 100% of the time.Being open in the front you wont have to deal with the push (or pull,however ya wanna look at it) when ya wanna turn sharp in 4wd that you can get with a Detroit.And no,hydro assist can do nothing for the push you get as many would like to believe.It has nothing to do with how sharp you can turn the wheels.I can go aloooong ways through crazy stuff with the front unlocked.If I start to spin a front tire,flip the switch.Its not that hard,but if thats too much for you...

For me a Detroit in the rear is the only option.For the front I will never have anything but an ARB.

Shoot,Mastiff gets it and he doesnt even have one

Agreed. Detroit rear/ARB front.
I watched Frizzlefry and Willyswanter use their ARB's before i made the decision of going ARB instead of detroit up front. I run with my locker on most of the time except when i need to turn tight.. Flicking a switch to go from locked to open up front comes in real handy sometimes..
If you dont have one you wouldn't understand.

 

[85mudblazin]

Who cares about turning tight, if you want to do that just put it in 2wd and turn.

 

[FRIZZLEFRY]

Who cares about turning tight...

People who wheel tight rock trails,trails with close together trees maybe?Maybe people that like making a 2 or 3 point turn a no point turn? I care People who do mostly mud or wheel in alot of open areas prolly dont care

... just put it in 2wd and turn...

I have been places where that is not an option

 

[fordcummins1]

Selectable lockers are one of the nicest features of my trail rig, and they came stock (404 Unimog). Detroits are nice, and tough, and granted I never drive the Mog on the street, but if I did I am 100% sure that I would rather have selectable lockers than an auto locking diff. I have had an ARB in the front of my tow rig, and a Detroit in the rear. The auto-locker was nice to have, but the constant drivetrain loading and unloading got old REAL fast. For anyone who runs their rig on the street alot, and on the trail as well, I dont see how a selectable spool wouldn't be the way to go. Granted ARB costs alot, and is somewhat more complicated than other units, it is still damn nice. Ive never had a lick of trouble with my unit, and its turning one of the heaviest wheel and tire combos there is. (41" Michelin on Stazworks double beadlocks)

Selectable lockers just seem to make more sense to me than anything else, and I've had plenty of experience with them. Locked when you want it, unlocked when you dont, unlike auto lockers that work at their own discretion.

 

[BlueBlazer]

I don't want a selectable spool. I don't want any spool. I want lockers and that's what I have.

I seem to remember Jason's rig going places your rig only dreams of, and he has "selectable spools". Badmouth ARBs all you want, but saying selectable lockers are useless is ignorant and once again shows what little you know. Put your money where your mouth is and refuse to sell them if they are so bad.

 

[84_Chevy_K10]

I seem to remember Jason's rig going places your rig only dreams of, and he has "selectable spools". Badmouth ARBs all you want, but saying selectable lockers are useless is ignorant and once again shows what little you know. Put your money where your mouth is and refuse to sell them if they are so bad.

They're not bad. They simply do not do what I want them to do and I have no desire to own one as a result. They're definitely high quality units, but as a matter of personal preference I do not want one.

You own a Chevy Diesel. I've seen it and it seems to do the job well. That doesn't mean I'm going to run out and buy a Chevy Diesel because I personally have no interest in owning one. That doesn't mean I think your truck is inferior, it just means that I do not choose to own one.

So I take it you will refuse to sell them...

False. I deliver what the customer wants. I generally steer them away from spending the cash if they ask my opinion, but I'll sell any product the customer wants. I don't care if you want 5.57s for your 10 bolts, that's your business. If you ask my opinion, I'll give it to you, if not, the parts are on the way, sir.

Also, read my statement again. It was more towards the fact that I have always seen ARB owners struggle to get their selectable spools to engage when they realize they need it. Just a little wise crack about the operation of the unit.

For anyone who runs their rig on the street alot, and on the trail as well, I dont see how a selectable spool would be the way to go. Granted ARB costs alot, and is somewhat more complicated than other units, it is still damn nice.

These two statements are a contridiction. Which is it, selectable spool is ideal, or not?

Guys,

Please don't think because I prefer to not have selectable spools that they're useless, or poorly made, or any of that. They are not. I feel that they simply do not achieve the goals which I have for my truck. If they fit your needs, install them and love them, and I'm more than happy for you. If they had something that was open, auto locker, or spool, then it'd be hard for me to decide...but open or spool is too hard of a decision to have to make in my opinion.

 

[k5floyd]

If they had something that was open, auto locker, or spool, then it'd be hard for me to decide...but open or spool is too hard of a decision to have to make in my opinion.

isnt there a selectable thats a lsd when not engage and full spool when engaged? i cant remember which one it is

 

[Mastiff]

isnt there a selectable thats a lsd when not engage and full spool when engaged? i cant remember which one it is

Electrac: http://www.off-road.com/jeep/reviews/tractech_electrac/

 

[FRIZZLEFRY]

...They simply do not do what I want them to do...

If ya think about it an ARB and a Detroit give you the exact same thing,100% lock.Just like a spool when engauged

 

[84_Chevy_K10]

If ya think about it an ARB and a Detroit give you the exact same thing,100% lock.Just like a spool when engauged

Then you try to turn and the detroit will unlock when you unload the throttle. The ARB will not unless you switch it off, at which time you're stuck with an open diff.

In 90% of cases it won't matter which you have, it's that other 10% people are talking about.

If it was a strictly DD rig, the ARB might be the ticket though, probalby great for that, although everything I own has a rear auto locker and I really like not having to think about it.

 

[fordcummins1]

Originally Posted by fordcummins1
For anyone who runs their rig on the street alot, and on the trail as well, I dont see how a selectable spool would be the way to go. Granted ARB costs alot, and is somewhat more complicated than other units, it is still damn nice.

Originally Posted by Tim84k10
These two statements are a contridiction. Which is it, selectable spool is ideal, or not?



Fixed the post, I meant "wouldn't be the way to go".

 

[84_Chevy_K10]

Originally Posted by fordcummins1
For anyone who runs their rig on the street alot, and on the trail as well, I dont see how a selectable spool would be the way to go. Granted ARB costs alot, and is somewhat more complicated than other units, it is still damn nice.

Originally Posted by Tim84k10
These two statements are a contridiction. Which is it, selectable spool is ideal, or not?



Fixed the post, I meant "wouldn't be the way to go".

Ok, makes sense now.