these guys took me for a ride on a simple set of motor mounts.
http://www.dirtydingo.com/store/index.php
i purchased the ls motor to 73-91 2wd truck adaptor mounts NON painted
http://dirtydingo.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=1_206_305_318&products_id=1308
these were purchased 2 or so months ago in begining of may for my 2wd build i am doing with 5.3 swap. i liked the fact thay were adjustable and bolt to block and stock mounts for easy drop in / set and go .
i test fitted them and installed in the truck for fit test in there also . no problems. thay also look real good like real good weld on them.
then 2 weeks ago mid week i blasted them up in the cabinet at work in prep for good paint job . got to looking them over and found cold welds / non bonding welds . the gap was so bad in some you could stick a sheet of paper threw them part way in to the weld area/center.
so i called them after work that night ( me east coast them arizona ) guy said send them back and he would cover my shipping costs also. i figured great should have them back in week and good customer service .
WRONG
i sent them 3 day flat rate usps box as he sent them to me . heck i even reused the box thay come in. shipped out satday 7/7/12 . so even if thay didnt leave till monday thats wensday 7/11/12 recived to them. he said as soon as he recived them he would box a new set up and ship same day . well next week monday 7/16/12 i recived email thay had recived them and created a new lable and will be shipping out soon. then next day thay shipped and i recived 7/19/12 . so this whole shipping deal screwed my build time / order up as i cant set motor / tranny inplace with no mounts.
well today 7/20/12 i blast up the new set same as old in prep for paint work. pull them out after all blaster. thay are yes a little better but still cold welds. heck even the oil coating from raw metal from steel making factory was leaking out from under the cold weld joints.
cant tell me these are not bad welds.
so i wait till thay open 9am az time. noon for me so i got time to think and stew on the problem . heck i even took a trip over town to friends machine shop 30+ employes and in buissness for years . thay make all sorts of HIGH end BIG $$$ parts for major companys . i go out back to the welding guy and set them on his bench and ask if there is anything we can to to fix these. ( mind you i didnt tell him what i wanted fixed ) he started to laugh at me and tell me those weld look like crap.
him and i both said thay were cold welds and quality was crap. i have said i am no pro at welding nore have i been to a day of schooling on it in my life. but i was farm taught and leaned as i went farther. i have had pro's look at my stuff and say its good work. but when a guy thats been doing welding for 15-20 years says there junk that means somthing to me.
so i called up the place at 9:20am ish there time and talked with the same guy again so i figured till we got in to it oh my god ! ! !
i told him the problem and say yep it was me last time. so i told him the new problem same as before. he started going off on me and saying 4+ years of making these i have yet to have one fail bla bla bla . i have cars/trucks with 1100+ hp launching off the line 7k rpm + and not a 1 break . we weld them at 170amps and thats what the thickness calls for in that steel spec. the second set we sent you i turned it up to 210 amps just to make sure . at that kind of amps it should have just melted the metal no problems .
he was cutting me off every time i tryed to speek up and tell him my concerns and whay i was realy calling was for quality control. you never know half the time unless someone tells you . he then was vary firm in his speeking that " IF YOUR NOT HAPPY SEND THEM BACK. I WILL PAY SHIPPING AND FULL PURCHASE PRICE REFUND. IF YOU WONT TALK BAD ABOUT ME ON THE INTERNET. " that right there was it for me . he was offering me a bribe to keep quiet and not fix the problem on his end.
i told him i will think it over and call him if i wana return them and left it at that. so 2-3 hr's later i said screw it i need to get this truck done and painted them up. if thay break he and the rest of the internet will know about it.
so here i am to let you know to ether check your mounts and or watch for quality problems. this is NOT the way to make a customer happy with the product and or take care of a problem as simple as a bad weld.
ya kind of crappy pics off cell phone but you can see the basics.
pic #1 = little gaps and no feathering in to main plate.
pic #2 = closer with angle shot to show off bad joint on main plate to support ear gusset.
pic #3 = diffrent ear with more gap under the weld at the main plate body .
pic #4 = realy bad bead and joint.
pic #5 = same as pic #4 but 2hr later just sitting on my tool box there is some liquid / oil coming out from the bad joint area of the weld . at no time did i have these anywere near any liquid or cleaners in prep for paint.
FYI : if he wants to make this right and have me drop this i will take a NICE clean well done set
http://www.dirtydingo.com/store/index.php
i purchased the ls motor to 73-91 2wd truck adaptor mounts NON painted
http://dirtydingo.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=1_206_305_318&products_id=1308
these were purchased 2 or so months ago in begining of may for my 2wd build i am doing with 5.3 swap. i liked the fact thay were adjustable and bolt to block and stock mounts for easy drop in / set and go .
i test fitted them and installed in the truck for fit test in there also . no problems. thay also look real good like real good weld on them.
then 2 weeks ago mid week i blasted them up in the cabinet at work in prep for good paint job . got to looking them over and found cold welds / non bonding welds . the gap was so bad in some you could stick a sheet of paper threw them part way in to the weld area/center.
so i called them after work that night ( me east coast them arizona ) guy said send them back and he would cover my shipping costs also. i figured great should have them back in week and good customer service .
WRONG
i sent them 3 day flat rate usps box as he sent them to me . heck i even reused the box thay come in. shipped out satday 7/7/12 . so even if thay didnt leave till monday thats wensday 7/11/12 recived to them. he said as soon as he recived them he would box a new set up and ship same day . well next week monday 7/16/12 i recived email thay had recived them and created a new lable and will be shipping out soon. then next day thay shipped and i recived 7/19/12 . so this whole shipping deal screwed my build time / order up as i cant set motor / tranny inplace with no mounts.
well today 7/20/12 i blast up the new set same as old in prep for paint work. pull them out after all blaster. thay are yes a little better but still cold welds. heck even the oil coating from raw metal from steel making factory was leaking out from under the cold weld joints.
cant tell me these are not bad welds. so i wait till thay open 9am az time. noon for me so i got time to think and stew on the problem . heck i even took a trip over town to friends machine shop 30+ employes and in buissness for years . thay make all sorts of HIGH end BIG $$$ parts for major companys . i go out back to the welding guy and set them on his bench and ask if there is anything we can to to fix these. ( mind you i didnt tell him what i wanted fixed ) he started to laugh at me and tell me those weld look like crap.
him and i both said thay were cold welds and quality was crap. i have said i am no pro at welding nore have i been to a day of schooling on it in my life. but i was farm taught and leaned as i went farther. i have had pro's look at my stuff and say its good work. but when a guy thats been doing welding for 15-20 years says there junk that means somthing to me.
so i called up the place at 9:20am ish there time and talked with the same guy again so i figured till we got in to it
oh my god ! ! ! i told him the problem and say yep it was me last time. so i told him the new problem same as before. he started going off on me and saying 4+ years of making these i have yet to have one fail bla bla bla . i have cars/trucks with 1100+ hp launching off the line 7k rpm + and not a 1 break . we weld them at 170amps and thats what the thickness calls for in that steel spec. the second set we sent you i turned it up to 210 amps just to make sure . at that kind of amps it should have just melted the metal no problems .
he was cutting me off every time i tryed to speek up and tell him my concerns and whay i was realy calling was for quality control. you never know half the time unless someone tells you . he then was vary firm in his speeking that " IF YOUR NOT HAPPY SEND THEM BACK. I WILL PAY SHIPPING AND FULL PURCHASE PRICE REFUND. IF YOU WONT TALK BAD ABOUT ME ON THE INTERNET. "
that right there was it for me . he was offering me a bribe to keep quiet and not fix the problem on his end. i told him i will think it over and call him if i wana return them and left it at that. so 2-3 hr's later i said screw it i need to get this truck done and painted them up. if thay break he and the rest of the internet will know about it.
so here i am to let you know to ether check your mounts and or watch for quality problems. this is NOT the way to make a customer happy with the product and or take care of a problem as simple as a bad weld.
ya kind of crappy pics off cell phone but you can see the basics.
pic #1 = little gaps and no feathering in to main plate.
pic #2 = closer with angle shot to show off bad joint on main plate to support ear gusset.
pic #3 = diffrent ear with more gap under the weld at the main plate body .
pic #4 = realy bad bead and joint.
pic #5 = same as pic #4 but 2hr later just sitting on my tool box there is some liquid / oil coming out from the bad joint area of the weld . at no time did i have these anywere near any liquid or cleaners in prep for paint.
FYI : if he wants to make this right and have me drop this i will take a NICE clean well done set
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