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Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major help

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ok well i knew my dana 60's passanger side stub shaft was toast, so i decided to replace it today.... then the suprises begin.
As soon as i remove the allen keys on the hubs rusty water starts dripping out and i can see water mixes into the oil in the hub itself
so i continue removing it, then i take off the rotor, but two metal pieces come klinking out onto the ground /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif i dont recognise them, i think there part of the brake pad.

Anyway heres all my questions.
1. could the broken shaft have let the water in? and ifso is just replacing the shaft enough to keep water out?
2. I didnt see a seal in the axle like i was told there was, i just slid the shaft out and no seal anywhere, is there something missing? and ifso where/how can i replace it
3. based on all the pictures could someone give me a complete diagnosis and list of parts i'll need to repair it? Thanks
Branndon

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Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

How long has the shaft been broken? Do you go thorugh any water after the break? If you have been driving in it for a while is is possible that the broken shaft took out the seal. If the shaft was able to move off of the seal it would let water in. Need a little more info.
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

yes i drove through water after it broke not knowing it was broke at the time. i noticed it was broken on vanentines day, and parked the truck, havent driven it since then.
 
There are a lot of seals from the stub out. You have a dust shield that attaches to the stub. You have seals for the spindle bearing (spindle bearing and seal kit: Spicer p/n is 700014). You have a inner wheel hub seal. And last but not least you should have o-rings on the allen head screws for the lockouts and one larger o-ring on the OD of the locking hub (or use silicon in a pinch). I doubt that the broken shaft caused your problems. There is a detailed exploded view of the D60F on pirate. Here's the link: http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/60_front/index.html

Edit: There is not any possible way to keep all moisture out of a front axle. Due to the shafts riding on seals that are open to the elements, it is inevitable that moisture will get inside over time. That is why regular maintenance is required especially if you plan to traverse through water very often.
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

ok i just took off my other hub to see what it was like inside, and it was also rusty and watery... so i assume the hub wasnt sealed properly. Anyone have the proper names or part numbers that i could use to fix this? THanks again
Branndon
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

Pic 19 is your dust shield, pic 17 is one of the seals for the shaft. Pic 18 has a piece of the seal that goes on the dust shield still there, but the rest looks torn away.
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

After looking at your other pics I take back my statement that the broke shaft wasn't the reason water was in there. It was definitely part of the reason. You need to get new spindle seals for sure. Clean out the hubs and inspect the bearings and races. Replace those if necessary. Replace the wheel hub seal and put it all back together. The spindle seals can be bought at any Spicer dealer. A spindle kit can be had for around $10 bucks per side and it includes new spindle bearings. It is Spicer PN 700014(Spindle bearing and seal kit) as I stated earlier. The hub seal is Spicer PN 48816 [Hub Seal (inner wheel bearing seal)]. The individual spindle seal part numbers are Spicer PN 620062(Inner spindle seal), 37312(Spindle thrust washer / spacer), and 37311(Outer spindle seal). The dust shield is Spicer PN 37308(Stub shaft slinger). The names I used for the parts may or may not match exactly what the Spicer book calls them and I didn't list them in the order that they go.

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I went back and put the correct part names in parenthesis next to the part numbers.
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

man i really appreciate all the info! taking the time to type all that out was really above and beyond. I will just replace everything i need can to insure its dont right. one last note, i'll search google, but i'll ask here too.. where can i use those spicer #'s? kragen? pepboys? or only spicer dealers online?
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

A driveline shop will carry spicer, kragen probably won't.
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

Auto zone sells spicer under the perfect circle name. It comes in the same white/orange box and has the dana diamond logo on the back in the lower corner. I think the numbers cross over there too. If not ask for the "book" to be brought out as those parts have been around for 30 years.
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

i just searched autozone.com for "Spindle bearing" and the part number for the kit with no luck, i'll give them a call tomorrow and see if they have the part numbers instock. BTW what grease should i buy for this? any brand better than the rest?
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

I just ordered those same parts. You can get them from Greg at 4WD Factory or Stephen (and company) at ORD. Both great guys to deal with and you'll have them in a few days.
 
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I just ordered those same parts. You can get them from Greg at 4WD Factory or Stephen (and company) at ORD. Both great guys to deal with and you'll have them in a few days.

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i'll call ORD tomorrow, great place to deal with /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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I just ordered those same parts. You can get them from Greg at 4WD Factory or Stephen (and company) at ORD. Both great guys to deal with and you'll have them in a few days.

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i'll call ORD tomorrow, great place to deal with /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

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ORD is a awesome company, top of my list when I need parts /forums/images/graemlins/peace.gif
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

I use marine grease in my hubs becasue it is water proof (resistant). It won't let you run around with water in the hubs forever...but it will not self destruct instantly either. It isn't as good of a lube as others but water can mess up wheel bearings quick! I have made it a habbit to feel each of my hubs after a long drive. One with bearings starting to go bad will be warmer than the rest.
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

Marine grease is not rated for the heat of disc brake wheel bearings.

I used to run it until I discovered this.

Now I use a high quality disc brake wheel bearing grease.

The trick is to service them often, not to use some particular kind of grease.
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

Here are the Dana 60 Part numbers I have

Axle ujoint: SPL55-3X
Inner wheel bearing: 387AS
Inner wheel race: 382A
Outer wheel bearing set "bearing and race": SET38
Wheel seal: 415960
Spindle bearing kit: SBK3
Long shaft: 660182-6
Short shaft: 660182-5
Stub shaft: 40955

Hope this helps
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Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

Not a problem man /forums/images/graemlins/waytogo.gif It is a great feeling having a rebuilt axle under your truck. I say this because I recently replaced everthing in my 60F except for the housing, R&P, knuckles, rotors, and hubs(why replace what's not broke?). While it was out of the truck getting its rebuild, I cleaned the H3LL out of it with a wire wheel and painted it all nice and purty /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif It cost about 1 arm and 2 legs /forums/images/graemlins/eek.gif but that included new inner/outer shafts, 35 spline locking hubs, detroit, king pin rebuild kits, bearings, races, seals, brake calipers/pads, and crossover. I did the whole enchilada and wow was I a happy man when I was done, and broke to boot!
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

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Here are the Dana 60 Part numbers I have

Axle ujoint: SPL55-3X
Inner wheel bearing: 387AS
Inner wheel race: 382A
Outer wheel bearing set "bearing and race": SET38
Wheel seal: 415960
Spindle bearing kit: SBK3
Long shaft: 660182-6
Short shaft: 660182-5
Stub shaft: 40955

Hope this helps
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where are those part #'s good for? any automorive place or a specific one?
 
Re: Broke 60 shaft, water in the hubs, brake pads falling apart need major

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Here are the Dana 60 Part numbers I have

Axle ujoint: SPL55-3X
Inner wheel bearing: 387AS
Inner wheel race: 382A
Outer wheel bearing set "bearing and race": SET38
Wheel seal: 415960
Spindle bearing kit: SBK3
Long shaft: 660182-6
Short shaft: 660182-5
Stub shaft: 40955

Hope this helps
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where are those part #'s good for? any automorive place or a specific one?

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Oreill'y Auto Parts
 
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