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Caddy big block in a K5/10??

chevrolet tranny will bolt right up to a bop engine.......... with an adapter. some of the bellhousing bolts line up but not all of them, you need an adapter, some transmissions come with both the chevy and bop bolt patterns but those are getting hard to find, also keep in mind that some year caddys have caddy only bellhousings.

I didn't say anything about all the bolt holes lining up. I said it would bolt up. I have helped put together a bunch of figure 8 and demo cars that have done this. It works. Probably not something you want to do in a vehicle you are going to drive on the road, but it does work with out an adapter.

Martin
 
seeing how Im constantly breaking bellhousings in my demo cars, and my figure 8 cars with all the bellhousing bolts in, I dont think I will try it without an adapter.
 
Seen them break more often in circle track cars than demo cars. You must not be cheating enough.

Martin
 
They both have their merits. BBC has a ton more aftermarket support and can obviously put down lots of power. Nobody is arguing that. Caddy's are lighter and can put down impressive numbers. Bore spacing is larger in a caddy and you can hog them out a ton because of it. EFI is doable on a Caddy with a little imagination and a lot of research. It's not too terribly expensive if you go the DIY route and don't just shell out for a drop in aftermarket system.

Anybody that has any doubts about their potential will have to wait and see the results of Kert's new motor build. It's gonna be sick. :grin:
 
Hot Rod did a small build on a 500 in 2000 or so. I had the article for years, but threw it out after my last move( I had a 500, but it has changed hands a couple times and Kert now has it in his pile of them).

They started off pulling it out of a car(early or mid 70s) and bolting it right up to the dyno. Made over 300HP and 400ft lbs. They then made 3 levels of mods with a dyno test after each one.

They spent a total of $2000 by the time they were done and had 420+ hp and around 500 something ft lbs.

The 2K included a new set of heads(the smaller chamber El Dorado heads from the late 60s) a new carb, a gasket set, headers, and an aluminum intake. There might have been more, but I can't recall off the top of my head.
 
I know it'll never happen, but I'd sure love to see a real dyno sheet on a dead stock Caddy 500. I am pretty doubtful it'd even approach 400 hp or 550 lbs of tq in stock trim. I am more inclined to believe 310 hp and 425 tq on an engine dyno in stock trim.

Rene

Hot Rod did a small build on a 500 in 2000 or so. I had the article for years, but threw it out after my last move( I had a 500, but it has changed hands a couple times and Kert now has it in his pile of them).

They started off pulling it out of a car(early or mid 70s) and bolting it right up to the dyno. Made over 300HP and 400ft lbs. They then made 3 levels of mods with a dyno test after each one.

They spent a total of $2000 by the time they were done and had 420+ hp and around 500 something ft lbs.

The 2K included a new set of heads(the smaller chamber El Dorado heads from the late 60s) a new carb, a gasket set, headers, and an aluminum intake. There might have been more, but I can't recall off the top of my head.
What he said. The numbers were impressive for the stocker. I've got that issue around here somewhere.
 
I was reading another important thing to change is the cam in the 472/500 engines, especially the early 70's. In order to pass emissions the cam design was quite detrimental to performance and things got very screwed up. Even replacing it with a modern design mild cam is said to really help these big Cad engines. I think MTS has the MT5, MT10, and MT15 series cams, with 5 and 10 being basic but important improvements. As Kert mentioned, valvetrain should be addressed also.
 
What he said. The numbers were impressive for the stocker. I've got that issue around here somewhere.

Originally Posted by tRustyK5
I know it'll never happen, but I'd sure love to see a real dyno sheet on a dead stock Caddy 500. I am pretty doubtful it'd even approach 400 hp or 550 lbs of tq in stock trim. I am more inclined to believe 310 hp and 425 tq on an engine dyno in stock trim.

Rene

Originally Posted by desertrat67
Hot Rod did a small build on a 500 in 2000 or so. I had the article for years, but threw it out after my last move( I had a 500, but it has changed hands a couple times and Kert now has it in his pile of them).

They started off pulling it out of a car(early or mid 70s) and bolting it right up to the dyno. Made over 300HP and 400ft lbs. They then made 3 levels of mods with a dyno test after each one. <snip>


Made my point for me...

Doesn't really matter which big inch motor you start with, if you want the big numbers you gotta throw some money at it. If I'm gonna run a stock big inch motor (ignoring BOP hassles) it'd be the Buick, Olds or Pontiac 455's. They all made better power and breathed better than the Caddy.

If I'm gonna throw some money at any of them it'll be a BBC. Most bang for the buck IMHO. I'm not rich enough to do it the hard way...

Rene
 
My decision for the Cad 500 was based on the quality and high nickle content of the block. Weight was also a big factor. A stock 454 weighs 685 pounds and the Caddy with 46 More cubes weighs in at 575.

More..

Why Build a Caddy?

Lets start with the advantages of using the 472/500 engine family as a basis for your next engine. This engine family has earned a reputation for longevity and power, partly due to the high initial build quality. You are starting with an engine with tighter specs than many new 'high end' cars, to include the square-ness and uniformity (lack of casting shift) usually expected only in high dollar full race engines, from the bore centers, to the deck surface, to the rotating parts centerlines, to the exceedingly high nickel content of the castings (like a 'Bow Tie'™ block that costs more bare than your complete core engine).
These engines are also very light for their size, being within 60 Lbs of a small block Chevy, while still being tougher and more wear resistant due to the high quality materials and castings. They have numerous other advantages, including easy access to the distributor and oil pump, dry (no coolant passages) intake, individual ports (not siamesed to lower production costs while hurting flow), conveniently angled spark plugs (easy access in the tightest of installations), and internally balanced, eliminating the need (and inefficiency) of external balancing.
Another prime advantage is that due to the stock 11 degree valve angle, and well designed chambers and ports, It is not unreasonable to expect in excess of 700 real HP out of a normally aspirated engine, with common ported production heads - no exotic machine work or aftermarket castings required. For the milder builds, this means that you are well within the range of easily attainable power, without stratching the limits of the stock block and heads.
 
love to have a big block k5. Would never get suck in the mud with all the torque

I am guessing you could start a long thread with the question, have you been stuck in the mud with a big block powered K5. . . . . .

Martin
 
The caddy engine is a great motor but its hard to beat the massive amount of parts readily available for the BBC and SBC and the cheaper costs. Not to mention it so easy to bolt one in and headers are a no brainer.

With the right heads, its not hard to get 650hp and close to 600tq out a 454. With a 496 or 502 it will be even more. You can get some cheaper iron 049 or 781 oval heads that will still perform nicely.

A 400 SBC with good flowing AFR heads can make 490hp, 530tq and will be pretty light with the alum heads.
 
Ive often considered a pontiac 400 or 455, lots of aftermarket support, maybe not on the same level as chevy parts but still alot more than caddy or alot of f*rd stuff. Ive always just gone back to the BBC just for the fact of how mcuh less hassle it would be.
 
You know...I like it.

That said but people who can't even accurately describe what they have in their own vehicle bug me.
 
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