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California Emissions help: 79 C20 350 sbc

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The smog guy decided to be picky this time. I didn't have all my EO stickers on the truck for the aftermarket parts. I was able to dig them out of my toolbox. Luckily I saved all my stickers and paperwork from every upgrade I have done to the truck.

The problem is getting all the vacuum lines run correctly. I am missing a couple parts and my carb is now an Edelbrock performer 600 rather than a Qjet. The carb is CA legal, I just have to make sure I get it hooked up right. The last item will be to get my idle mixture set so it will pass smog. In the past, the screws might have gotten tweaked a little as it was being tested, so that it would be adjusted to burn clean:whistle:. I don't know if that will happen this time.

Hopefully some people here know a bit about the emissions systems on these trucks. I know a fair bit, but still have questions on the vacuum switches.

I have two thermal vacuum switches on the intake. One is for the early fuel evap valve on the exhaust (also called a heat riser valve), and the spark delay switch. This is the big thermal switch that has four ports. The two bottom ones loop through the spark delay valve. That valve is inline to the vac advance on the dizzy. I am not sure when this valve should be open or at what temp. I don't know the original part number. There are a few available.

The other thermal vac switch is two ports and I think it goes to the egr and fuel canisters. I don't know what temp this one should be either.

I put a vac pump on these switches, but they leak, even if I cap the ports that would go to the smog equipment. This doesn't seem right. Will these hold vacuum or do they always loose some? I thought I might be able to use a vac pump to see when the switch opens. I would dip the switch into hot water to test it.

This engine is built as much as possible while still meeting CA smog. I need to get it to pass, but I also need to make sure I can tune it for best performance when needed.

Here are the smog parts:

EGR: when should it be activated for smog specs? Does it really reduce pinging and is it beneficial even when I want to tune for performance and don't care about passing smog?

AIR diverter valve from smog air pump: When should it inject air into the headers? Should it work only at running engine temp and not when the engine is cold? Does it need timed vacuum or manifold vacuum?

Fuel vapor charcoal canisters: same questions as above.

Vacuum Advance is tied to dedicated vac adv port on carb and is ported, so this should be fine for smog.

EFE/heat riser: seems this would go to manifold vac and be routed through a thermal switch so it lets the exhaust flow freely after it warms up. This carb (edelbrock 1400) has two emissions ports on the front and both are closed at an idle. When I crack the throttle, I get a reading on my vac gauge. The one for the dizzy seems like a more smooth increase in vac and the other is more sporadic.

My thought is that if I better understand how these are supposed to work, I will be able to route the lines properly and figure out if the switches are working right or if they need changed. I don't know how many of these emissions parts are used on 49 state trucks. Maybe you Komnifornia brothers will know a bit about this stuff.

Anyone know how lean my idle screws should be to pass smog. I would imagine that too lean will raise some of the emissions and too fat will raise others.

I can post pics of my factory hose diagram, or my carb diagram if needed. I figured I would try to get this stuff working as close to the way the factory intended as possible, since our laws are crap and we also have road side smog checks and smog every year or two for my truck. I would decline to let a road side check run my truck, as they are voluntary, but I don't want to get caught with my pants down. All of the major parts on the truck are 50 state legal, I have just been sliding on the hose routing and they don't make sure some of it works because the truck is hot when it gets tested, and at least the EFE and air cleaner will not be active at that point. A little tweaking gets it to burn clean. I don't have an exhaust gas analyzer or O2 reader to see how clean it burns.

Thanks
 
are you required on your test to go to a test only station? If not I would find a shop that can adjust the carb for you on the dyno. When I smogged my k5 last I had the qjet on there, basically if you get it as lean as possible ala, screw the mixture in until is stumbles and go out 1/4 turn I think you will be really close. Unless you have a big cam or something you should be in the range..

I have the complete Thorley header ypipe and cat system on my truck and its new so I don't know how much the cat was helping.. my truck also has a rv cam edelcrap intake the egr/efe/vac canister/heat riser and that's it no smog pump nothing.

I would find a manual because I just took all that crap off my truck and there was a one way check valve in line with two hoses on it.. you.. think of this.
When the truck is warm almost all of this is disabled because the ports on the thermostatic vacuum, I believe are closed, the only things that I know of that are active are the EFE in the exhaust which should be on manifold vacuum, if its umplugged its open all the time. All the charcoal canister stuff should be sealed and is on mani vacuum also but that shouldn't leak. they check it also so make damn sure your lines are not cracked.

Also check to make sure your egr valve is working because sometimes they will check that and if its bad it will fail the load test if you are in an enhanced area.
 
Here are some of the diagrams I have, study them carefully and make sure you are sure which one your truck needs, if its federal.. lmc sells a sticker that you can put on the core support. it will help reduce the total requirements.

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Swap TBI in that thing and be done with the BS. Seriously, for the cost, expense, and hassle of trying to run the pre-injection carbed vacuum mess, it would seem to be a hell of a lot easier to beat the inspection that way.

Is there a reason you are opposed to doing so? Certainly seems like a good time to consider it.
 
I will check to see if the station is not check only. It is required to be tested at a star station and the paper says they have test only and test/repair stations. I think this station is pass or don't pay as well.

Since half this stuff will be deactivated when the engine is up to temp, I could probably slide on some of it.

TBI is a no go. I have too much money and time into getting this one setup like it is. The engine bay is finished off very nicely and tbi would screw up the look of it and it would be a pain, if not impossible to get tbi to feed this engine to it's potential. Last summer, I prepped and painted the engine bay with 2 stage black and satin clear. I have rewired most of the truck. There is a box on the driver's inner fender, that I built, that houses all of my extra fuses and relays, and shift indicator and kickdown switches.

The engine specs

406 sbc (sorry, misleading title. it is smogged as a 350 and was a 350 originally).
10.2:1 CR
Forged crank that has been ground for high performance/trueness and re heat treated.
All ARP bolts
scatt forged rods
hyper flat top pistons (reused from previous build)
Comp hydraulic roller cam xr 264 (264/270 adv. 212/218 @50)
Edelbrock performer heads with mild porting
edelbrock intake with porting
full roller rockers
edelbrock 1400 carb
weiand high flow aluminum water pump
MSD Pro billet HEI
MSD remote retard box
taylor wires
acdelco plugs #5
Thorley tri y ceramic headers with air injection tubes and efe valve
single 3" cat and flowmaster 70 series muffler, mandrel bent tail pipe

Last time I had it smogged it had a flat tappet cam with more duration and edelbrock heads that had way too much porting work, and roller tipped rockers. It passed with a little tweaking from a smog tech. They don't know it is not a 350, as all of the parts are for a 350 or 400, including the cam. It runs more mild than a 350 would with that cam. It does have a rough idle with the timing set only at 8 degrees advanced to meet smog. He asked if it had a cam in it:doah:. I missed my chance for a good reply but I also didn't want to piss him off. What a ****ing idiot! It wouldn't run if it didn't have a cam installed.

Thanks for the pics of those diagrams. Mine is messed up and hard to read and I think I found one that matches mine (2 tanks and smog pump, CA emissions).

I will manage to get it smogged, even I have to pay them to adjust it (as long as they don't rape me).

Some pics for the hell of it:
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Ok, I was thinking essentially stock, with a few tweaks. You are a long way from that. What a nightmare. At least the weather is nice.
 
wow nice build I bet it runs great! It seems like you are not far off from getting it totally legit and that cam should pass fine in that motor..
your truck came with a 400 I should know because I had one.. I would track down the proper emissions tag for that truck because you might as I said before be relieved of some of the smog crap under a heavy duty exemption. the heavier the truck was the less crap.. too bad because mine was a 78 and I didn't even have cats..49 state trucks didn't get half that stuff Ca did.. so if you had a 49 state emissions sticker you would be golden.. that's the only info they have to go off of for requirements.. they cant magically make you install a bunch of that stuff.. because you cant modify the original config. that's my 2cts..good luck.
 
Ok, I was thinking essentially stock, with a few tweaks. You are a long way from that. What a nightmare. At least the weather is nice.
It is pretty dang hot right now, and it has been more humid than we are used to (climate change?). We don't have much else going for us though.

I didn't want to mess with a big block swap, especially when I was first learning on this truck, so I am squeezing as much torque out of this small block as California will let me, without going to forced induction.

wow nice build I bet it runs great! It seems like you are not far off from getting it totally legit and that cam should pass fine in that motor..
your truck came with a 400 I should know because I had one.. I would track down the proper emissions tag for that truck because you might as I said before be relieved of some of the smog crap under a heavy duty exemption. the heavier the truck was the less crap.. too bad because mine was a 78 and I didn't even have cats..49 state trucks didn't get half that stuff Ca did.. so if you had a 49 state emissions sticker you would be golden.. that's the only info they have to go off of for requirements.. they cant magically make you install a bunch of that stuff.. because you cant modify the original config. that's my 2cts..good luck.

The cam is not legal and none of the comp rollers are. The old cam with more duration was legal, but it was a flat tappet. I printed out the comp cams web page with the EO number. The cams don't come with EO numbers anyways.

It does run strong. I made a test run up a small hill in town, with my trailer. The truck weighs around 6k pounds as it sits with my tool boxes and work supplies and the trailer is a 21' toy hauler that weighs about 8k pounds without toys in it (I weighed them in the past) tongue weight is 1180 lbs. There is a stop light just before the little hill. I ran it in first, with the AC on high and an outside air temp of 90 degrees plus, and it pulled hard to 4800 rpm when I shifted. I shifted to second and forgot to use first over (has a gear vendors overdrive to split gears). I had to move over to pass the slow cars, as the speed limit is 55 mph. It pulled it at 210 engine temp. I changed the fan clutch after that. I didn't have any pinging though. I ran out of hill to really push it. I went back up the other side and got up to 55 mph pretty quickly. Estimated torque is 525, but it has never been dynoed. It is similar to the 406 impersonator article that I think Hot Rod did. It is no comparison to a modern diesel, but for a small block, it acts like a freight train.

I was pretty sure they came with 400's as well, but someone said that was really a big block 400 for the trucks. I figure if they came with a 400 sbc, then I could get a referee to inspect and pass it if necessary, since I am as legit as possible. I hear they can be cool or total dicks, but I tried to keep the truck legal.

It is so close to not needing such strict standards, yet so far away. I don't know if the 400 CA emissions are any less strict for a 79 C20 3/4ton single cab. My gvw is 8200 lbs. Isn't the engine code tied to the VIN number? I would hate to get in trouble for swapping stickers, but I would love to tell the state to go F themselves too.

Thanks for all the info guys.

I did find that rock auto has great prices on the thermal valves, if I need them. I just don't know which ones are correct. I will try to get it smogged with the valves I have. Last night, I ordered the air cleaner thermal valve, so I will be one step closer to having all the original smog parts.

Komnifornia makes us jump through hoops to be law abiding citizens, and then they buss in illegals to join our community. Don't get me started on our gun laws.

I am hoping the smog guy will only do a quick visual, once I show him that my parts are legit. I don't know if he knew how easy the other tech was, or if the other tech just did people favors by not going over the vehicle with a fine tooth comb. I don't blame him for not wanting to risk his license on an engine that may not have approved parts, but he was kind of a dick and tried to tell me MSD parts are not legal. He seemed lazy and he may have not known much about upgrading old American engines. I will give him another chance before I move on to a new shop.
 
I had a 78 k20 with a 400 sbc so I know for a fact they came with them. What you have isn't that far off and that cam being legit as far as sniffing clean is what I meant not that it's carb legal. The last thing I would do is ref the truck. You would be asking for all kinds of trouble. Just get the vacuum lines fixed and get it to run clean and drive it!
 
Just get the vacuum lines fixed and get it to run clean and drive it!

That is the plan.

I don't think comp was willing to spend the money to certify roller cams that are not as popular of an upgrade for our trucks as the flat tappet cams are. I'm pretty sure the small retrofit roller I have will pass smog. I have heard that the roller acts like it is about 10 degrees bigger than a flat tappet due to ramp rate. I don't know if it is true or not. That would put it at 228 max for my 406 and a 224/224 flat tappet was legal for a 350 on up. The extra cubes would tame that theoretical 228 to be similar to how that 350 would act with a 224/224 (and that is smog legal).

It is all a bunch of bureaucratic bs. It should boil down to how it runs on the sniffer test. I don't think I can even upgrade to a decent aftermarket fuel injection setup and stay legal in this state. I am sure a tuneable FI system like the holley could burn cleaner than the dinosaur tech that my truck has.

I don't know how the max allowable emissions for the current star test compare to the emission standards of 1979. I have heard that the numbers have been cut. If that is true, I am running 1970's tech (with minor upgrades) and trying to pass tighter standards than what the engines were designed for.

I will let you guys know how it turned out. Hopefully I will have it all ready and get it done by Sunday afternoon.
 
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