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Cheap Hi Steer Kit.... such a thing??

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what is and how is hysteer an advantage with crossover?

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I don't know for sure either, but I think it is when you put different arms on the knuckles that locate the tie rod above the leaf springs... /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif
 
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what is and how is hysteer an advantage with crossover?

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I don't know for sure either, but I think it is when you put different arms on the knuckles that locate the tie rod above the leaf springs... /forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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I go over the advantages/disadvantages here: http://www.coloradok5.com/ordhisteer.shtml
 
Sure... I agree with ya. To a point.
Look at it this way. The first guy that invented the cell phone (to use your example) took a lot of time and money to figure it out. He charged lots of money for those first ones he sold. Same with VCRs. Remember the first ones? You couldnt buy one for less than $1000.00. Until the next guy got hold of the schematics and plans. Then they refined them. They got cheaper. The more they sold, the cheaper they got. The more companies made them, the cheaper they got. They arent worth more than $50.00 some places now that DVDs are out.
Now we jump to the 4x4 scene. Someone comes up with an idea... makes one for himself and a buddy. A few guys see them, so he makes a few more. He charges big bucks for the first ones. Then a few companies start making them. But the price never goes down. Like come on. Expensive machines or not, $100.00 for a crossover steering arm? Its a chunk of metal that happens to be milled and machined to fit really good. Then Joe Blow sees it. So he gets a chunk of metal himself, uses his grinder to 'mill and machine it to look like the $$ one, welds it to his knuckle, tapers out a hole for a drag link, and gets his picture posted up as a 'scary steering setup' that no one wants to wheel with.
I dont begrudge the manufacturers that sell these things. Power to them. And I am not going to argue against free enterprise. My point is that the R&D has been paid for. The machine will be paid for eventually too. Whats wrong with selling more volume for cheaper rather than less for more money?
They are using the fact that people will jump on and ridicule the guy who does it differently or cheaper to sell thier stuff. In reality, buddies welded on chunk of metal steering arm is just as safe (assuming it was welded by a competent welder... Im definately not saying that some of those steering pics on that site arent very badly done but...) as the big dollar ones. And to say that you might as well keep the money you saved for the lawsuits isnt right either. Because in the fine print of 90% of the off-road parts we buy it says: 'not legal for on road use' or something to that effect. So, whats the difference between that disclaimer or buddies self made arm if something happens?
My biggest beef is with the attitude that I see a lot on sites like this one. 'If you dont buy the stuff for the big dollars, you aint worth anything, we dont want to wheel with ya, and obviously arent hard core enough to even talk to'.
But, as I said, thats my opinion.

Good discussion... no hard feelings yet I hope! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Mike

BTW, I am not pointing at anyone... this has been a thorn in my side for a while now, and it just got wiggled around a bit and it hurts hehe /forums/images/graemlins/yikes.gif
Trust me, its worse for us in Canada... it would cost me near 500.00 for two arms to Histeer mine, not including draglink or tie rod or ends! Sux.
 
Thumper no hard feelings. You are entitled to your thoughts and opionions. They are also very true in some aspects.
As far as volume and lower prices, I do now that some of these guys have come down on prices in the past. I also know first hand that a few of them sit in their office all day sometimes tracking down a part that is a few cents cheaper with hopes of being able to put more pennies with it and lower their prices.

I understand that on the outside looking in as a consumer of these products that they appear that these companies are making huge bucks. Some might be. What I am familiar with is a small family business that tries to keep five people fed, pay the rent, upgrade machinery, and put some money in the bank for slow times like we have all been through in the last few months or even years.

On the other hand, like I said before if any one feels like they can build any of the parts they need for their truck they should. It probably will be cheaper in the long run.

I don't look down on anyone for trying to do their own fabrication, I built my buggy from scratch, some may not think that it looks as nice as the big name buggies built by "Pros" but I like it, and that is what ultimatly matters.

Bashing on any manufacturer from the outside while not trying to look at it from their side is the thorn in my side. It really gets me when guys post up about some great wrong doing by Acme Whatever parts, but never quite manages to get all of the truth about the situation out.
Not saying that these guys don't mess up and drop the ball sometimes. We all do, what defines us is how we are able to take care of things once the ball has been dropped.
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No bad feelings just good topics
 
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Just wonder who else offers it other then ORD. Looking for a complete kit. thanks

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If you want it more affordable do this. Don't buy any other manufacturer of the arm but ORD. In my opinion, they have the nicest and beefiest setup that is adaptable to the Dedenbear knuckle in case its needed in the future.

Piece your kit together at a rate you can afford. Buy the Steering arms or one at a time. Do the crossover portion first. Then you can upgrade the tierod and add the second arm.

Missouri Offroad Outfitters sells the best tierod in my opinion. It is super strong with 1.5" OD x .375" wall tubing.
 
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Now we jump to the 4x4 scene. Someone comes up with an idea... makes one for himself and a buddy. A few guys see them, so he makes a few more. He charges big bucks for the first ones. Then a few companies start making them. But the price never goes down. Like come on. Expensive machines or not, $100.00 for a crossover steering arm?

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We had a guy in the PNW forum make up a few crossover arms by borrowing the taps and machines to do it. Material cost alone was $60-70 depending on how many he made at one time (so the more guys that went in together the cheaper the material). Once you add in overhead of a buisiness and labor there probably is not a lot of profit left.
 

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