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Chevy Dump Bed - PTO from TH400/NP205, Other specs coming in

sweetk30 said:
well funny you should tag me . i might know a little about the pto stuff . :deal:

the pto in this setup would be on the 205 t-case . it gets power from the input gear . so trans in 1st gear and t-case in N .

selecting the pto in would be in before t-case in N and truck rolling a tiny bit to line up gears so no grinding . then the pto would have its power and run your hydro controls with t-case in N position and your foot on the brakes of the truck or park brake on .

i will take a pto hydro dump all day over these new pile of crap 12volt units everyone uses on dump trailers or dump kits.
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2Dogs please forgive the minor derailment of your thread but I didn’t think this was important enough for its own thread and I see that PTO’s are right up SWEETK30’s interests.

I picked up an old ‘65 NP-201 outta Dodge W200 and it’s got a old large pattern PTO unit and all I know about is that the case has a dedicated straight cut gear for it - also it appears to have two output shafts one large and one very small.

I hate to see good old parts discarded needlessly - is this unit something I need to research and find a new home for or is it basically common old junk with no use anymore ?

Thanks, Tom

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tarussell said:
2Dogs please forgive the minor derailment of your thread but I didn’t think this was important enough for its own thread and I see that PTO’s are right up SWEETK30’s interests.

I picked up an old ‘65 NP-201 outta Dodge W200 and it’s got a old large pattern PTO unit and all I know about is that the case has a dedicated straight cut gear for it - also it appears to have two output shafts one large and one very small.

I hate to see good old parts discarded needlessly - is this unit something I need to research and find a new home for or is it basically common old junk with no use anymore ?

Thanks, Tom

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No problem at all!

@sweetk30
 
tarussell said:
2Dogs please forgive the minor derailment of your thread but I didn’t think this was important enough for its own thread and I see that PTO’s are right up SWEETK30’s interests.

I picked up an old ‘65 NP-201 outta Dodge W200 and it’s got a old large pattern PTO unit and all I know about is that the case has a dedicated straight cut gear for it - also it appears to have two output shafts one large and one very small.

I hate to see good old parts discarded needlessly - is this unit something I need to research and find a new home for or is it basically common old junk with no use anymore ?

Thanks, Tom

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See if someone on a old fb page or chat forum for them trucks would want it . . And small shaft might be the shift shaft .
 
sweetk30 said:
See if someone on an old fb page or chat forum for them trucks would want it . . And small shaft might be the shift shaft .
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Appreciate the guidance - and I must be an idiot to not have considered the small shaft being a shift rail.
 
tarussell said:
2Dogs please forgive the minor derailment of your thread but I didn’t think this was important enough for its own thread and I see that PTO’s are right up SWEETK30’s interests.

I picked up an old ‘65 NP-201 outta Dodge W200 and it’s got a old large pattern PTO unit and all I know about is that the case has a dedicated straight cut gear for it - also it appears to have two output shafts one large and one very small.

I hate to see good old parts discarded needlessly - is this unit something I need to research and find a new home for or is it basically common old junk with no use anymore ?

Thanks, Tom

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Someone with a shaft driven winch will want that. Maybe the older Power Wagon peps

edit older power wagons, not older peps
 
Wes Harden said:
Someone with a shaft driven winch will want that. Maybe the older Power Wagon peps

edit older power wagons, not older peps
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I’d much rather see it go to someone who could use it instead of the scrap pile - seems to be in fine working order.

I think sweetk30 is right about checking in with those POWER-WAGON and old Dodge folks or maybe even the IH crowd - that larger mounting 8 or 10 bolt flange is from days gone by.
 
2Dogs said:
The hydraulics appear to be working well.

Since the cab is newer than the frame I wanted to know if it was indeed a 1 ton frame. From the little I know about the 1 tons I see the upper shock mounts as inboard which checks out. Anybody else see anything good or bad here?


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From what can be seen in the videos about your frame it appears to be a genuine cab chassis frame.
The regular cabs came in two flavors - 135.5” wheelbase and 159.5” wheelbase ( yours is the latter ).
The rear spring packs are usually either a standard DRW 10,000lbs. set with a nine count pack plus an overload on top or an extra high-capacity special RPO “G52” 15,000lbs. with a ten count thick leaf pack with no overload.
The 4th digit/letter of the VIN will tell you the GVWR of the springs being used/selected - it should read either “H” ( it appears this is what you have ) or “J” cab chassis only .
 
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tarussell said:
From what can be seen in the videos about your frame it appears to be a genuine cab chassis frame.
The regular cabs came in two flavors - 135.5” wheelbase and 159.5” wheelbase ( yours is the latter ).
The rear spring packs are usually either a standard DRW 10,000lbs. set with a nine count pack plus an overload on top or an extra high-capacity special RPO “G52” 15,000lbs. with a ten count thick leaf pack with no overload.
The 4th digit/letter of the VIN will tell you the GVWR of the springs being used/selected - it should read either “H” ( it appears this is what you have ) or “J” cab chassis only .
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Yeah I have had both types.
I still have some of those spring packs.
I also had a crewcab with the 15k springs.
Without the utility box they ride like a brick
 
tarussell said:
From what can be seen in the videos about your frame it appears to be a genuine cab chassis frame.
The regular cabs came in two flavors - 135.5” wheelbase and 159.5” wheelbase ( yours is the latter ).
The rear spring packs are usually either a standard DRW 10,000lbs. set with a nine count pack plus an overload on top or an extra high-capacity special RPO “G52” 15,000lbs. with a ten count thick leaf pack with no overload.
The 4th digit/letter of the VIN will tell you the GVWR of the springs being used/selected - it should read either “H” ( it appears this is what you have ) or “J” cab chassis only .
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The 15,000 pound regular cab, cab and chassis can also be the regular frame 131.5” wheelbase.

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rksjd8420 said:
The 15,000 pound regular cab, cab and chassis can also be the regular frame 131.5” wheelbase.

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I should have mentioned the RPO code “ZW9” for the “CK31003” models but was try’n not to muddy up the post with too many details - great info to be shared though.
I would have thought that a box delete “ZW9” option would have been under a K30903 model instead of a K31003.
This is the first I’ve run across a “G52” RPO on a 131.5” chassis - good to know.

Pics for model reference

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tarussell said:
From what can be seen in the videos about your frame it appears to be a genuine cab chassis frame.
The regular cabs came in two flavors - 135.5” wheelbase and 159.5” wheelbase ( yours is the latter ).
The rear spring packs are usually either a standard DRW 10,000lbs. set with a nine count pack plus an overload on top or an extra high-capacity special RPO “G52” 15,000lbs. with a ten count thick leaf pack with no overload.
The 4th digit/letter of the VIN will tell you the GVWR of the springs being used/selected - it should read either “H” ( it appears this is what you have ) or “J” cab chassis only .
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4th digit is indeed J. The owner (deceased, working with his son) said the cab was not original but the VIN checks out here, correct?
 
2Dogs said:
4th digit is indeed J. The owner (deceased, working with his son) said the cab was not original but the VIN checks out here, correct?
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That’s great that it’s got the extra high capacity rear spring packs ( was difficult to see in the videos & pics ) - that’s a stout cab chassis truck !
If you’re curious about the frame being what’s actually documented for the tittle paperwork there is a frame stamping of the VIN on the front passenger side frame rail - I think it’s stamped on the top lip of the “C” channel.

I’ve got one similar to it myself - it’s a ‘83 K30 cab chassis truck with a 454 TH400/205 along with a “J” 4th digit VIN and RPO “G52” but mine is the shorter version with 135.5” wheel base.

Post up some really good and clear pics of the under carriage and SPID sheet once ya get it home and we can see if it all matches up option wise for ya.
 
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2Dogs said:
4th digit is indeed J. The owner (deceased, working with his son) said the cab was not original but the VIN checks out here, correct?
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Don’t know what the VIN is yet.
I went back and reread all three pages of the thread but I don’t see where you mentioned the VIN ?
 
Only thing I could tell is that it’s listed as an “incomplete chassis” ( most cab chassis are - mine is too since it was ordered by an upfitter to be a fire department brush truck ) and yours is listed as a 1985 model.
It has a “W” so it came with a 454 and you already know about the “J” code springs.

It is a Chevy VIN designation that was made in the USA ( not Canada ) and a 2DR cab.

From one of your videos it showed a little of the crossmember for the trans and T-case and it is a “short” style adapter and related crossmember support so that matches up with’85~’91 K & V chassis stuff.

Since you said the cab was replaced it may have a re rivited tag on it - don’t let the DMV know about that !
 
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