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Club or not to Club......Help me run a little study....

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And just for the record, belonging to a bulletin board service doesn't count ( no offense Steve /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif) It has to be a charter type organization.

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Yes it does. CK5 is a member of United. Memembership helps pay for that buisness membership.
 
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I don't belong to a club and I never will.

#1, I'm not going to pay people to go 4 wheeling with me
#2, The politics involved in a 4wd club and what goes on with your money really pisses me off
#3, the best people I've ever met in this sport are right here on CK5.

Anyone wants to go four wheeling with me is welcome to come on one of my trail runs or invite me and I'll come on yours if I can make it. I LOVE this sport, but I feel that clubs ruin it.

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Thats fine but will you atleast joint your regional Assoc and United as a member at large with what you would have been paying in club dues?

United in particular is fighting at the washington level to keep our rights to wheel. That does take money that most clubs to help provide by being member clubs ot the local assoc. www.UFWDA.org and drill do to the regional. The Regional is keeping your local trail open. My Regional Assoc is why you can still wheel at Tellico.
 
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For money, all of it goes back to the members for picnics, prizes/raffles, donations for charities, and club supplies like first aid kits, chainsaw, etc...


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I like a little more control over my $$
if you want to give to charity you do not need a club to do it.
if you need a first aid kit you do not need a club to get one.

I have always wanted to form a 'shop club'.
dues would go towards big ticket machinery that is hard to justify for a single person.
more like buying shares then a club deal.
make initiation the donation of a big ticket item that the shop needs.
pooling resources could be the path to some serious toy building.
after a while you should have the big ticket basics covered and start getting into stuff like IronWorkers and sheet metal shears/brakes.
eventually it could grow to having paid staff to manufacture saleable goods if the club wants to go that route

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One of the guys in the club I ride w/ when I have time is doing something like this. It is planned to be separate from the the club its self, though. The club has too many people who don't do their own work and don't want to, so it would be pointless for them to pay in. Others work for 4x4 shops and still others have more equiptment than some fabshops I've seen. If he had started planning it another time I would have jumped on it, but the way things are now I only have time to wheel maybe 3 time a year and no time for major mods.

This brings me to my other point, no club can MAKE anyone attend anything. We have a scheduled meeting and a scheduled trail ride every month. In the summer there are more "wildcat" trips that normally are made up of mostly club members and few who are not. The only people who would be excluded from the GBR are thoses w/ unsafe trucks. Personally I don't want to ride w/ someone like that anyway so worries for me. I guess offically I am not currently a "member in good standing" because I've only been on one club trail ride and to two meetings this year. However, because we are based on friendship, not rules, when I ran into some club members at a swap meet last w/e things were the same as they always were.

Honestly, if I didn't believe in what the GBR, Southern www.sfwda.org , and United www.ufwda.org do w/ the money I give them there would have been no point in paying my dues this year or next. But I do think they are good stewards of my donations, and they do work to keep the trails we have open, so they get my money. Look, neither political party is really looking out for the OHV community. One wants to totally shut us down and the other is more intrested in timber and grazing rights, and those intrests happen to dovetail with ours. If you are totally against joining something (I know some people have no desire to belong to things like this) consider a donation to the Blue Ribbon Colition www.sharetrails.org The sad fact is, weather you are in the USA or Canada or anywhere else, money is what makes politicians notice. Thats my $.02
 
I belong to a no nonsense club (UFO's Unlimited Fun Off roaders). We have a website and post up runs and such when we want to get together. The people that founded the club are also members of other 4WD clubs here in Vegas so we are always invited to go along on their runs also. So far I haven't had any bad experiences. The plus side was being able to meet other people who like wheeling and finding some awesome trail I would have never found unless I was on an organized run. By far CK5 is my first love /forums/images/graemlins/rotfl.gif
 
I belong to a local Club here but it is real lame. nobody ever wants to do anything. mostly all heeps anyways. We have about ten of us that are breaking away and starting our own club. We have some land lined up to rent. going to build some pits and have a crawling area.also maybe some hill climbing.........
 
This has been an interesting crossection of thoughts.

The goal of this exercise was to determine if the majority of wheelers belonged to a club or not. And if one does not belong to a club does that make them a "renegade" or "Irresponsible" wheeler?

Thoughts?

P.S. Ok, I concede, I guess CK5 can be considered a "club". This was all informal anyway.... /forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
 
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And if one does not belong to a club does that make them a "renegade" or "Irresponsible" wheeler?

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I'd certainly hope not. My truck doesn't come off the trailer unless the place is 100% legal anymore.

All that stupid illegal crap is what gives the public a bad impression of 'wheelers and will eventually close every public trail in the country.

Me personally, I don't care if you guys agree with me on the public land issue. Out where you are, maybe there is public land. Here there is none. Still, I get to make multiple runs every year to go wheelin'. Private off road parks have motivation to maintain their trails because they have CUSTOMERS and MONEY. I am a big fan of private parks.

I'm glad at least someone agrees with me on the club thing. Like I sad, we have our local club (WFO Offroad) and it's just a group of guys that go wheelin'. No money, no politics, and everyone is welcome.
 
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And if one does not belong to a club does that make them a "renegade" or "Irresponsible" wheeler?

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I can't speak for anyone else, but whether or not someone is in a club may have more to do with the individuals personality than anything else. I don't like collectivism or group-think... I tend to avoid classifications and pigeon-holing when possible. I like going wheeling with people, but I don't want to be a member of an official group or club. In school I wasn't in any clubs, and once I quit playing sports I wasn't really associated with any group.. thats just the way I like it. At PSU there was a group of kiss asses that had a student architecture group. It was a disgusting sight... half these people were just looking for ass to kiss, the other half sat around looking bored, knowing they had to be there so they could put it on resumes and crap but not really caring what was going on.

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Too many words jek.

I prefer, "maverick"

Look it up in the dictionary.

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Mavericks tend to become speedbumps in life.
 
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I don't belong to a club and I never will.

#1, I'm not going to pay people to go 4 wheeling with me
#2, The politics involved in a 4wd club and what goes on with your money really pisses me off
#3, the best people I've ever met in this sport are right here on CK5.

Anyone wants to go four wheeling with me is welcome to come on one of my trail runs or invite me and I'll come on yours if I can make it. I LOVE this sport, but I feel that clubs ruin it.

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I agree with this. This sums us up:

" Mountain Explorers 4x4 " isn't a club, but more of my group of friends. I can't call it a club cause it's a name started by myself based on what we do, we have no rankings, no members, no dues, no meetings, no set rules or regulations (but a generally accepted set of guidelines).

I put on one event a year, using my own money, and friends help run it. There's no official club, and everyone is welcome.

In my experience, the people that would constitute our usual wheeling group aren't as into 4-wheeling as most people (considering most have their rigs/projects and ability to go to events on a back burner to families and bills).

Once it starts become "political", it loses it's fun. I highly doubt we'll become an official club.
 
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