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Dual battery Questions

1978Blazerk5

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Hey, I wanted to put a dual battery setup in my K5. Ive talked about it a while now, but i think I am gonna start stock piling all the stuff I need so when I get a warm day. The Secondary Battery is gonna be a yellow top optiuma. It wasnt doing the job for startin the truck, so I am gonna have the Local Battery Shop give it a good charge and see what happends. Here is the Isolator.htm I was gonna use. I know someone(cant remember the name:doah:) used this. I like the manual over-ride switch part. What ya guys think think?
Also the ground for the Auxillierly Battery goes to the engine block, correct? And for my aftermartet stuff (lights ect.) do I wire that up to the main or the Auxillerly battery?


Thanks
 
First off - bad link. :D

Secondly. I am running the Hell Roaring system. It has an isolator and switch. I am running my 2nd battery strictly as a back up. It is being charged just like the main batt. but there is no juice being drawn on the 2nd one. I can flip a switch and combine the two batts for more juice or I can move the switch and take the 2nd batt out of the system completely (meaning, it wont be charged by the alt).

I ran the aux batty neg terminal to the frame, the pos. term of aux batt. ran thru the isolator and then thru a big ass bus fuse and then down to the starter.

Im running yellow top for aux and red top for primary. I have ALL my accessories connected to main batt. nothing is connected to aux other than the isolator itself.

I did it this way so I know Ill always have a good batt incase I kill the main. When ppl use both batts for diff things there is a chance on running them both down to the point that youll still need a jump. I do carry a jump box but that is jus because. lol.

not sure if this helps or what not, but it is the system I am using. YMMV.
 
Looks okay, but id rather be incharge of weather or not my batts get charged or not. That lil system is automatic, all you need is a glich and then your batts arent being charged.

I know some ppl use a FORD Starter Solenoid and a switch and have pretty good luck with that. I know my system was a lil expensive but I liked how it operated and what not.
 
I'm running a NOCO 140 isolator, with red top main, and exide secondary which is only running the winch. The NOCO at times will swtich both batteries off, so I lose the programmiing on my radio. Otherwise, I am very happy with the setup, both batteries charge as needed, and never had a problem running the winch (NOT ON THE TRAIL YET THOUGH). It's all easy to do, and I think well worth it.
 
I'm running a NOCO 140 isolator, with red top main, and exide secondary which is only running the winch. The NOCO at times will swtich both batteries off, so I lose the programmiing on my radio. Otherwise, I am very happy with the setup, both batteries charge as needed, and never had a problem running the winch (NOT ON THE TRAIL YET THOUGH). It's all easy to do, and I think well worth it.

Unfortaintly thats a problem for my truck. My alarm system goes all wacko.
 
forgive the hijack but whats the advantages of having a second battery other than a back up?

Actually it's not a hijack but dead on topic!

Depends on how you have them hooked up. Lots of the diesel trucks, for instance, have two batteries from the factory (I'm intentionally ignoring the CUCV's here -- don't go there.)

They're just hooked up in parallel, plus to plus and minus to minus, and give you more cranking power when it's cold. Both get charged, and used, at the same time and same rate.

In the 'wheeling and stereo worlds, the second battery is generally desired as an *auxiliary* battery, i.e. separate from the main one. Some sort of circuit separates it from the primary battery, so that your big honkin' stereo, or your winch, lights, etc, wear down your auxiliary battery, but leave your primary one charged. The ideas is that you can sit and listen to the stereo for hours, or run the winch, etc, until the auxiliary battery is down. Then, when you turn the key, the primary battery still has juice in it, you crank, and off you go.

There are complicated and expensive solutions, which have been mentioned.

The next cheapest/simple solution is a solid-state isolator, which is basically two big diodes in a heatsink (generally blue, for whatever reason.) The parts stores usually sell these; they're rated by the maximum current and you'd want one rated at least for the maximum output of your alternator. The alternator goes at the center, and a battery goes on each side. You leave the starter, headlights, and other factory stuff on the main battery, and hook your new stuff (winch, offroad lights, whatever) to the secondary battery. This way when the alternator's charging (i.e. the engine is running) both batteries get charged, but the load on each battery can only discharge that battery and doesn't touch the other one.

Hey, look, $35.

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=SRI&MfrPartNumber=9523AD&CategoryCode=3018

I don't think the fourth post is necessary for your alternator, but they come with instructions.

The *really* simple (and inexpensive solution), as mentioned, is a big honkin' continuous duty solenoid. Mine, IIRC, was a replacement part for a John Deere =)) It connects the auxiliary battery to the primary when the ignition is on ... that is, when the engine is running, which means the alternator had best be charging. It disconnects when the key is off, i.e. there's no charge, and so I can run down the auxiliary battery to my heart's content without fear of discharging the primary battery.

These actually came from the factory in the early 70's as an option, I gather, but my parts house only had the JD replacement and not the Chevy that day. Something like this would work:

http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPag...54140&Description=Solenoid+Switch+-+Universal

$28, and notice it says "Continuous Duty" in big letters. While a Ford starter solenoid might work, they are not rated for continuous use.

If you intend to kill your auxiliary battery often, as in discharge it all the way, a so-called "deep-cycle" (aka "marine") battery is preferable. Ryoken will likely step in as this gets complicated, but in general it's hard on lead-acid cells to discharge them all the way. The stereo people do this; I don't know that in our case it's so necessary ... once your battery gets below 10V or so your lights and winch won't work for crap anyway.

Now, speaking of winches, during a good pull you're prolly gonna want to leave your engine running anyway, to get just that more juice into the winch (i.e. by using the alternator), meaning in that instance an isolator isn't really important.

It's the times that your engine won't start 'cuz you're sideways on the trail, or the like, that the isolator would come in handy for winching.

The one thing the big fancy isolators CAN protect you against is running both batteries down WITH the engine running. (That is, presuming they have an "off" position where the alternator doesn't charge the aux battery. You could also do this really simply with the solenoid solution, just by putting a switch inline with its circuit to the ignition.) That is, if you're draining more power than your alternator puts out, you'd kill both batteries even with the engine running. This is most likely the case for the stereo people, though if you have dozens of huge KC lights in use and/or are running your winch at full pull while driving (neat trick!) this could be an issue :haha:

Jeebus, that was NOT supposed to be so long-winded ... but again, 1978k5, I think you're thinking too much. For your use, the big solenoid or the solid-state solution would do the trick. With a big alternator, and the big solenoid, some nice #6 or so wiring (should be good for 100A or so) and you oughta be able to run lights, winch, or a small-third world country off your aux battery and call it good.

-- A
 
all that, and you didn't even touch on the ACR tech... :haha: nah, great post bro... :bow:

As has been mentioned, there are many ways to do this with all kinds of little variations... from simple to extravagant..

I wont bother going into "deep cycle, cranking", ACR tech, switching, etc.. As this stuff as been discussed ad-nauseam in here.. A search for "batteries" will bring up a weeks worth of reading... :haha:
 
Which model do you have?

The BIC-75150A or the BIC-75300A?

Ill be honest, I dont remember which model I have. They actually changed model numbers etc. Ive had mine for 2 years now and never a single problem. If you are thinking about going with the Hell Roaring setup, call them and tell them exactly what you are wanting to do and they will walk you thru it.

Infact when I first hooked mine up, I called them and they stayed on the phone while we went thru all the checks and tests to make sure the system was working properly, very good customer service. I like the system although I dont have anything else to compare to. I liked that it was an all in one kit that I didnt have to piece together. I did get some heavy gauge wire to do the wiring, but that was about it.
 
Okay, here are some pics of my install. I got an OEM batt tray for pass. side thru LMC, bolted up perfectly.

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all that, and you didn't even touch on the ACR tech... :haha: nah, great post bro... :bow:

Thanks ... I got started, and it just snowballed.

As has been mentioned, there are many ways to do this with all kinds of little variations... from simple to extravagant..
Honestly, the ACR thing I've not read up on ... I am a big fan of *simple*. Odd, 'cuz I'm a computer guy by trade, but maybe that's why I resist complicated solutions, too much Bill Gates in my life :haha:

I think the only solid state stuff in my K5 is the electronic ignition (well, and the diodes in the alternator). (Oh, crap, that's not true ... I installed a CB! Well, the only *required* solid state stuff! :D )

Oh, and I forgot about mounting ... Badmix is right on the money. Since GM offered dual batteries, your truck is set up for an auxiliary battery tray already (i.e. the holes are all there); just get the parts from LMC (or honestly, the dealer ... they were about the same $$, as I recall, and have the tray in stock had the bracket a day or two later, versus LMC taking a week and change.) *Mounting* the second battery is then very very easy.

(I of course went nuts on my K5 and used a modified CUCV tray and did some custom welding, and I have *two* aux batteries ... but I enjoy overkill =))

-- A
 
Jeebus, that was NOT supposed to be so long-winded ... but again, 1978k5, I think you're thinking too much. For your use, the big solenoid or the solid-state solution would do the trick. With a big alternator, and the big solenoid, some nice #6 or so wiring (should be good for 100A or so) and you oughta be able to run lights, winch, or a small-third world country off your aux battery and call it good.

Well, just wanted to check I have a bad habit of buying the wrong thing. CK5 has saved me more than once already. I got a pretty good size alternator, 96amp I think 90 something lol.
 
Well, just wanted to check I have a bad habit of buying the wrong thing. CK5 has saved me more than once already. I got a pretty good size alternator, 96amp I think 90 something lol.

Yup, I remember that thread -- I prolly posted in there too. (Hey, my opinion is worth AT LEAST what you pay for it, if not less :deal: :D )

There is SOO much MISinformation out there about electrical stuff, and so many people treat it like it's some kind of voodoo. It may be 'cuz my background is electrical engineering, but jeebus, I'd rather troubleshoot an electrical system than deal with motor issues. Batteries and alternators are not as complicated as some would have you believe (and therefore sell you all kinds of weird crap).

All else fails, remember that your truck is old and simple, and the KISS adage applies.

-- A
 
Okay, here are some pics of my install. I got an OEM batt tray for pass. side thru LMC, bolted up perfectly.

BICInstall0007.jpg


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BICInstall0001.jpg

I already got a 2 battery tray. I dont know if that came from the factory, or it was added years ago.

Wow all that wiring, it look confusing as hell.

Nice Place to put the switch.

EDIT: what are those filters up on the firewall for? Are those for the breathers?
 

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