all options given in the wizard setup . otherwise i got no clue 
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Edelbrock Proflo 4
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noticed my tablet had a 53 firm version so i updated the unit . powered off 10 sec like it said heard the relay kick out . powered back up and still not able to get the wizard up and loading .
both the home and forward buttons are not red and zero% showing on the upload % box . i even have the ecu laying flat and the tablet laying on top of it for as close of a signal as you can get .
when i had the truck running i had the tablet in the shop and moved the truck almost 50ft away and it was still geting gauge display data so i know its talking and seeing each other .
both the home and forward buttons are not red and zero% showing on the upload % box . i even have the ecu laying flat and the tablet laying on top of it for as close of a signal as you can get .
when i had the truck running i had the tablet in the shop and moved the truck almost 50ft away and it was still geting gauge display data so i know its talking and seeing each other .
wish there was away to down load the old version . . .
@sweetk30 I don't have much to help with here. But why do you keep going through the set up if you have it running?
And if #6 & #8 are acting poorly, and they are neighbors, is there something swapped between them? Injector wires or plug wires? Or by chance is there a problem with the intake gasket in between them?
I really hate to ask these questions, I know that you are a good mechanic.
And if #6 & #8 are acting poorly, and they are neighbors, is there something swapped between them? Injector wires or plug wires? Or by chance is there a problem with the intake gasket in between them?
I really hate to ask these questions, I know that you are a good mechanic.
Wizard only way to setup for size and iac percent. I had it running somewhat o.k. except the skip . Might be a program safety with 2 not working to make you do the wizard . ?
Ah.
Just FYI, you can play with the throttle blades to adjust IAC by just watching the gauge display, no need to go to the wizard. I have done it as needed after playing with the timing.
Just FYI, you can play with the throttle blades to adjust IAC by just watching the gauge display, no need to go to the wizard. I have done it as needed after playing with the timing.
I know you probably checked this but verify the wires on the distributor are correct. 1 8 4 3 6 5 7 2 and you are getting spark on 8 and 6, also check resistance on those 2 wires. I noticed they updated the distributor install instructions with the tooth pattern and where it goes on relation to #1.
https://misc.edelbrock.com/forum/PF4-Distributor-Install.pdf
https://misc.edelbrock.com/forum/PF4-Distributor-Install.pdf
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msd wires 8.8mm with the no. clips on the wires and msd wire separators to hold them were they go . checked 2 times . ad cyl 6 and 8 are so far apart the would be way worse than this .
brand new spark plugs thinking the old used carb with no choke might have fouled out a plug or 2 no change .
drove the truck in the shop old carb and run perfectly other than it was a old carb . first fire up of the system it was skipping my self and my friend who is a every day mechanic were stumped . and he does anything from oil changes to engine swaps and hard core diagnostic of late model computer stuff .
the diagnostic mode shows green on all items .
the last thing i can do at this point would be pull the pass side fuel rail and swap 2-4 and 6-8 injectors and see if the problem moves with them . . . but he said he can come up with his leak down tester to verify the 6-8 cyl dont have a problem .
brand new spark plugs thinking the old used carb with no choke might have fouled out a plug or 2 no change .
drove the truck in the shop old carb and run perfectly other than it was a old carb . first fire up of the system it was skipping my self and my friend who is a every day mechanic were stumped . and he does anything from oil changes to engine swaps and hard core diagnostic of late model computer stuff .
the diagnostic mode shows green on all items .
the last thing i can do at this point would be pull the pass side fuel rail and swap 2-4 and 6-8 injectors and see if the problem moves with them . . . but he said he can come up with his leak down tester to verify the 6-8 cyl dont have a problem .
The injector swap is a good idea. I'd still measure the resistance on the plug wires to rule those out. I did not use the latest distributor instructions so I'm hoping mine is in correctly. Have not started it yet. Fuel pump trigger wire is negative so I need to re-wire my pump relay to trigger on negative.
Is it still as easy as checking resistance on the injectors to see if they are bad? Not going to tell you everything that can be wrong with an injector, but if it's related to the electrics, it may. Heck of a lot easier than swapping them.
Never hurts to do checks like this after they have run. I had injectors in the past that spec'd out when cold, but as soon as they were run, they failed the same test.
Never hurts to do checks like this after they have run. I had injectors in the past that spec'd out when cold, but as soon as they were run, they failed the same test.
You can also listen to see if the injector is ticking before swapping them. Automotive stethoscope would nice to have for this but a screwdriver works too.
I believe the PF4 system uses LS2 injectors and should be around 12 ohms. I'd double check a known good cylinder to verify resistance is around 12 then check 6 and 8.
I believe the PF4 system uses LS2 injectors and should be around 12 ohms. I'd double check a known good cylinder to verify resistance is around 12 then check 6 and 8.
checked #2 right side #1 and got 14.4-14.5 ohm in the 200 ohm scale .
checked the #6 and #8 right 3-4 and got the same range reading .
have not tried to fire it today . waiting for my friend to stop today or tuesday .
and yes the long handle screw driver trick works good . used it a lot over the years on unitized wheel bearing noise test and serp belt pulley bearing testing .
checked the #6 and #8 right 3-4 and got the same range reading .
have not tried to fire it today . waiting for my friend to stop today or tuesday .
and yes the long handle screw driver trick works good . used it a lot over the years on unitized wheel bearing noise test and serp belt pulley bearing testing .
IT'S ALIVE 
long story short and tail between my leg's problem with skip was 6-8 wire swap some how in the wires that were labeled and clipped together and looked correct but were not at the engine end . my buddy showed up this morning before i got in the shop and looked it over again fresh eye point of view and found it .
so drum roll please
............................................. WOW is this kit so much better than the sniper from holley ever was . i have maybe 20 miles on it this morning and the truck fires off better / runs better / fells better / drives better / smells better / just hands down 
better system 200% so far .
stopped at a friends place on the test drive this morning and he even said this thing don't smell rich anymore like the sniper did at idle with 400-500 miles on it .
my buddy was riding with me and watching the tablet full data screen and he said its almost like looking at his big snap-on scanner for live data . said my short term fuel and long term fuel are great already and within 1-2 points of each other . got my iac down to 9-11% when warm and my 700 rpm idle target is about spot on all the time . even in gear stopped foot on the brake its smooth . coming to a stop its smooth unlike the sniper catching its self all the time . and my foot pedal pressure is 98% gone even with there TB spring and my big return spring its light as a feather . i even had to re adjust my gas pedal th400 kick down switch by removing a chunk of rubber hose as it was now limiting my throttle from the previous sniper setup with its 7/8" linkage spacer i made .
THE EDELBROCK PRO FLO 4 IS OUT OF THE BOX BETTER ! ! !
and if you get emi interferance you got problems . we just tossed my wiring under the hood laying all over stuff including plug wires and the computer is laying on the hvac box loose and it runs this good . unlike a holley with emi problems on a lot of there stuff .
@Bent77 @6872xtc @Shawn
long story short and tail between my leg's problem with skip was 6-8 wire swap some how in the wires that were labeled and clipped together and looked correct but were not at the engine end . my buddy showed up this morning before i got in the shop and looked it over again fresh eye point of view and found it .
so drum roll please
............................................. WOW is this kit so much better than the sniper from holley ever was . i have maybe 20 miles on it this morning and the truck fires off better / runs better / fells better / drives better / smells better / just hands down better system 200% so far .stopped at a friends place on the test drive this morning and he even said this thing don't smell rich anymore like the sniper did at idle with 400-500 miles on it .
my buddy was riding with me and watching the tablet full data screen and he said its almost like looking at his big snap-on scanner for live data . said my short term fuel and long term fuel are great already and within 1-2 points of each other . got my iac down to 9-11% when warm and my 700 rpm idle target is about spot on all the time . even in gear stopped foot on the brake its smooth . coming to a stop its smooth unlike the sniper catching its self all the time . and my foot pedal pressure is 98% gone even with there TB spring and my big return spring its light as a feather . i even had to re adjust my gas pedal th400 kick down switch by removing a chunk of rubber hose as it was now limiting my throttle from the previous sniper setup with its 7/8" linkage spacer i made .
THE EDELBROCK PRO FLO 4 IS OUT OF THE BOX BETTER ! ! !
and if you get emi interferance you got problems . we just tossed my wiring under the hood laying all over stuff including plug wires and the computer is laying on the hvac box loose and it runs this good . unlike a holley with emi problems on a lot of there stuff .
@Bent77 @6872xtc @Shawn
Well I’m glad you didn’t f up our partyIT'S ALIVE
long story short and tail between my leg's problem with skip was 6-8 wire swap some how in the wires that were labeled and clipped together and looked correct but were not at the engine end . my buddy showed up this morning before i got in the shop and looked it over again fresh eye point of view and found it .
so drum roll please
stopped at a friends place on the test drive this morning and he even said this thing don't smell rich anymore like the sniper did at idle with 400-500 miles on it .
my buddy was riding with me and watching the tablet full data screen and he said its almost like looking at his big snap-on scanner for live data . said my short term fuel and long term fuel are great already and within 1-2 points of each other . got my iac down to 9-11% when warm and my 700 rpm idle target is about spot on all the time . even in gear stopped foot on the brake its smooth . coming to a stop its smooth unlike the sniper catching its self all the time . and my foot pedal pressure is 98% gone even with there TB spring and my big return spring its light as a feather . i even had to re adjust my gas pedal th400 kick down switch by removing a chunk of rubber hose as it was now limiting my throttle from the previous sniper setup with its 7/8" linkage spacer i made .
THE EDELBROCK PRO FLO 4 IS OUT OF THE BOX BETTER ! ! !
and if you get emi interferance you got problems . we just tossed my wiring under the hood laying all over stuff including plug wires and the computer is laying on the hvac box loose and it runs this good . unlike a holley with emi problems on a lot of there stuff .
@Bent77 @6872xtc @Shawn
Get the cid set?
not yet . they have not figured out the bug yet in the setup wizard .
but even on the 5006 base map as it loaded the back way i did it its so smooth and clean smelling out the tail pipe .
she has some pining under heavy load take off stomping on it . but i am resiting the tune it bug and just letting it learn . or get the wizard update from them to finish it .
but even on the 5006 base map as it loaded the back way i did it its so smooth and clean smelling out the tail pipe .
she has some pining under heavy load take off stomping on it . but i am resiting the tune it bug and just letting it learn . or get the wizard update from them to finish it .
Good to hear you got it figured out! Sounded like a spark issue and its too easy to get wire plugged in the wrong spot when swapping distributor. Also I like how its running like a top for you compared to your last system. Makes me more confident this is the right system for these engines. If you're getting detonation, you can retard your timing down low.
Edelbrock said the engine size setting isn't as important as long as the map loads correctly through the manual process but hopefully they'll get the setup wizard figured out soon.
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Originally posted by Nate S (Edelbrock Tech)
First, in most instances when a user can't load a cal through the wizard, we've also seen that a cal can't be loaded directly through Load Map and neither can firmware. The fact that a cal can be loaded through Load Map is a good sign because when nothing can load, typically the ECU has to come back to be hard flashed with firmware again. I'll have to get with the software guys to see if we can replicate the wizard loading problem.
If you can get far enough through the wizard to see which cal it chooses for you based on your setup info (CID, cam, fuel pressure, etc) then you load that cal directly using Load Map. The information shown in Current ECU Configuration for CID, cam and fuel pressure are set after a cal is loaded using the wizard. This means that if a cal doesn't successfully load from the wizard that the information won't be updated therefore it will still show the old data which is from the default map that's loaded in the ECU during production. This information isn't as important as what's shown on the home page in the box on the bottom right for Map. So long as the correct map/cal ID number is shown, then you know that is the cal you currently have loaded. Besides working through a cal selection matrix in the wizard, there is no direct setting for engine size, cam or fuel pressure. That's handled in the cal itself.
Edelbrock said the engine size setting isn't as important as long as the map loads correctly through the manual process but hopefully they'll get the setup wizard figured out soon.
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Originally posted by Nate S (Edelbrock Tech)
First, in most instances when a user can't load a cal through the wizard, we've also seen that a cal can't be loaded directly through Load Map and neither can firmware. The fact that a cal can be loaded through Load Map is a good sign because when nothing can load, typically the ECU has to come back to be hard flashed with firmware again. I'll have to get with the software guys to see if we can replicate the wizard loading problem.
If you can get far enough through the wizard to see which cal it chooses for you based on your setup info (CID, cam, fuel pressure, etc) then you load that cal directly using Load Map. The information shown in Current ECU Configuration for CID, cam and fuel pressure are set after a cal is loaded using the wizard. This means that if a cal doesn't successfully load from the wizard that the information won't be updated therefore it will still show the old data which is from the default map that's loaded in the ECU during production. This information isn't as important as what's shown on the home page in the box on the bottom right for Map. So long as the correct map/cal ID number is shown, then you know that is the cal you currently have loaded. Besides working through a cal selection matrix in the wizard, there is no direct setting for engine size, cam or fuel pressure. That's handled in the cal itself.
Ill have to peruse the Edelbrock forum some more. I haven't linked my tuner up since the update, and at this point not going to
Good info, thanks for sharing
cold start test and run in cold test = passed with flying colors 
sorry no video's of the snow plowing for you to watch with your pop corn snack . @Bent77
but i sure do need to get my heater core installed. its cold in the cab !
