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"Enhanced Duramax"
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I have heard this also!
sled_dog
1 ton status
eh the SFA Chevy is a real rumor, how founded? who knows...
My friend keeps saying 6.2 for the Fords. I remember that cause I keep making fun of him saying they are buying up all the old Chevy motors and puting turbos on them
The buddy I get most of my Diesel info from works for a Dodge/GMC dealership and worked for an International/Ford dealer for about a year(up until a few months ago). You don't want to get him started on 6.0s either, or my other buddy who owns one...
My friend keeps saying 6.2 for the Fords. I remember that cause I keep making fun of him saying they are buying up all the old Chevy motors and puting turbos on them
The buddy I get most of my Diesel info from works for a Dodge/GMC dealership and worked for an International/Ford dealer for about a year(up until a few months ago). You don't want to get him started on 6.0s either, or my other buddy who owns one...
I think that most of the rumors came from a GM board where an employee was sharing all kinds of photos and stuff about new GM releases. When asked if '07's were going to have a solid axle I believe his reply went something like....well yeah, they were never hollow, of course it's going to have a solid axle.
Soooo....probably 99% wishful thinking, but one can always hope.
Soooo....probably 99% wishful thinking, but one can always hope.
89GMCSuburban
1/2 ton status
Anything that comes from the International plant, at least in my field, is known as crap.
2007 goes to No-sulfur diesel if I remember correctly. Cat already puts twin turbos on their ACERT motors to meet current emission standards without having to use EGR. Detroit used EGR....which they've had a lot of problems with. Twin turbo Ford sounds like a stupid idea....try changing a turbo on the motors now that use ONE. Gross.....
6.0 Powerjokes are crap. I've heard of MANY problems with injectors...but then again..that's international for you. What I've actually heard is happening is Dodge is trying to get out of their Cummins contract because Ford actually owns Cummins....actually owned them before Dodge put the motor in their trucks. Ford was dumb and let the rights get sold to Dodge, so they had to get something else...Navistar. Anyways...this is what is supposed to actually happen some time :
Ford = Cummins
Dodge = Mercedes Benz
Chevy/GMC = Duramax
This is what I've heard is going on....and all I work on are diesels. If the Benz motors in the Dodges is true, the MBE 900 they might be putting in is making almost and over 900 lb.ft. in fire trucks.
2007 goes to No-sulfur diesel if I remember correctly. Cat already puts twin turbos on their ACERT motors to meet current emission standards without having to use EGR. Detroit used EGR....which they've had a lot of problems with. Twin turbo Ford sounds like a stupid idea....try changing a turbo on the motors now that use ONE. Gross.....
6.0 Powerjokes are crap. I've heard of MANY problems with injectors...but then again..that's international for you. What I've actually heard is happening is Dodge is trying to get out of their Cummins contract because Ford actually owns Cummins....actually owned them before Dodge put the motor in their trucks. Ford was dumb and let the rights get sold to Dodge, so they had to get something else...Navistar. Anyways...this is what is supposed to actually happen some time :
Ford = Cummins
Dodge = Mercedes Benz
Chevy/GMC = Duramax
This is what I've heard is going on....and all I work on are diesels. If the Benz motors in the Dodges is true, the MBE 900 they might be putting in is making almost and over 900 lb.ft. in fire trucks.
supersize75k5
OrganDonorRacing.com
mikey_d05 said:Great...two turbo's to pack with soot and twice the bill when the impellers stop spinning...I sure hope Ford/International/Navistar gets it right this time.
End of hijack, the new power numbers for the D-max look awesome, hopefully they'll back it up and it'll be reliable as well. Now if only the '07 SFA rumor would come true.
THERE IS A DELIVERY DRIVER IN AZ WHO DELIVERS THE THE PROVING GROUNDS OUT HERE.....
when asked about the solid axle, he just started smiling but he wont talk, and he isn't even a big 4x4 nut, every time we talk about it he is hinting around it, they have solid axel trucks out there but he wont say if its a 1ton or if its higher/commercial rated.
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jhellwig
1/2 ton status
supersize75k5 said:have solid axel trucks out there but he wont say if its a 1ton or if its higher/commercial rated.
The chevy trucks over 1 ton have solid front axels on the 4x4 models. Although someone was telling me that it is an aftermarket thing.
yeah, I wouldn't mind having one of those D70-lookin front axles chebby uses in its commercial 4x4 trucks. Steering behind the diff, high pinion, 10"+ ring gear etc etc. Why chebby won't offer at least ONE model of normal truck with a D60 front I have no idea. Doesn't even have to be a lot of them... even if it was rare like stock 426 rigs at least then they could say that they did it. 
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sled_dog
1 ton status
89GMCSuburban said:
I call bull. Everyone loves to spout the "Ford owns Cummins" thing, but it is BULL. Go to www.Cummins.com and look up their FAQ it says clear as day,
Thats how big of a rumor it is.
Ford won't break a 20 year teaming with International anytime soon IMO. And I fixed the GM one for you. Cause GM has little to do with the Duramax.
89GMCSuburban
1/2 ton status
Fix it all you want. Duramax Ltd. was created which was 50/50 Isuzu and GM to make.....ta-da! the duramax. Actually it was 60% isuzu ad 40% GM at first, now it's 60% GM and 40% Isuzu. It's not all Isuzu, no matter how much people want to think it is. Read
Read again
Read again
89GMCSuburban
1/2 ton status
Good catch on the ford/cummins thing. Every diesel mech I talk to brings that up, so it's not just Ford owners that think that.
jhellwig
1/2 ton status
89GMCSuburban said:
Doesn't GM own isuzu anyways. Isuzu contributed the engineering on it as far as I know at either rate. Gm still is having to live down its desil reputation also.
K5MONSTERCHEV
1/2 ton status
You guys copmplain about a solid axle. It might be a solid axle, but what are the chances itll be junk like the dana 50 with its unit bearing, small ring gear, ball joints and the dodge 60 isnt all that great with its ball joints and 3 piece axle, the only thing really 60 on the dodge 60 is the centersection. Now if it was a coil spring king pin 60, with hubs, not an actutor then it would be worth it. I would think it will most likley be the same 9.5" like in the dodges from AAM. But if its gonna be crap, whats wrong with just doing a SAS?
sled_dog
1 ton status
mikey_d05 said:
much worse than OEM? I am confused by that... after my build work so far on the S10 I have no confidence in anything OEM. Granted it is a 1985, but 75% of the welds I ground into were porous **** that I would grind back off and relay if I laid them down.
How is a better designed, purpose built aftermarket solution worse then OEM? I have seen the ORU kit installed on a truck, and I have to tell you, I wouldn't blink an eye at running it for 200,000 miles on a truck.
89GMCSuburban: I swear I prove someone wrong about that whole thing at least 2 or 3 times a month. Its amazing how prevelant that rumor has become. A friend of mine made the point, Dodge will likely fight tooth and nail to keep Cummins. Because as this moment how many guys do you know who have them that say this "I don't care for Dodge but I wanted the Cummins". I know plenty who have said it. I bet their sales would drop off if they switched motors.
sled_dog said:
Nor would I, but from what it sounds like the frames are also gonna get switched up in '07, so until a kit like ORU's comes along again guys are gonna be doing homebrew jobs. Nothing against backyard engineering but most of us have nowhere near the resources that OE manufacturers or even a company like ORU does to try different suspension setups, spring rates, and even complete components such as axles.
After all is said and done, no matter which route you go (kit or homebrew) you just paid big money for a fancy expensive IFS setup that had a torch taken to it, spent a lot of time hunting all this junk down, and the warranty on most of the driveline was probably voided by your actions.
89GMCSuburban
1/2 ton status
I think with the aftermarket thing is this......when it's OEM, it's been engineered. GM would put WAYYY more money and research into an SAS than an aftermarket ever would...or could. But still, I don't care if it has a SAS in the coming years or not....they keep raising the prices out of my reach. Ain't no way I'm gonna pay $21,000 for a 4x4 extended cab Colorado that doesn't even have power windows.
Well see what happens, Daimler Chrysler is making their own diffs for semi trucks now, so Eaton, Dana/Spicer, Meritor are losing market share in Freightliners. And it gets better, gues who makes the MBE 900? Detroit Diesel....who owns Detroit Diesel now? Daimler Chrysler. If they can jam in one of their own motors, and claim that it's been sucessful in semi trucks, just like Cummins can say, they'll do it. If anyone's gonna fight, it'll be Cummins. Dodge is their #1 customer, and they'd lose A LOT of money.
In the end, we'll have to just wait and see...
Oh....and my favorite quote from a Dodge Cummins owner? "I love my Cummins...the problem is it's wrapped with a Dodge."
Well see what happens, Daimler Chrysler is making their own diffs for semi trucks now, so Eaton, Dana/Spicer, Meritor are losing market share in Freightliners. And it gets better, gues who makes the MBE 900? Detroit Diesel....who owns Detroit Diesel now? Daimler Chrysler. If they can jam in one of their own motors, and claim that it's been sucessful in semi trucks, just like Cummins can say, they'll do it. If anyone's gonna fight, it'll be Cummins. Dodge is their #1 customer, and they'd lose A LOT of money.
In the end, we'll have to just wait and see...
Oh....and my favorite quote from a Dodge Cummins owner? "I love my Cummins...the problem is it's wrapped with a Dodge."
I have about 1500 miles on my 06 2500 Dmax. It has the LLY motor which is the 310/ 605 motor. The LBZ engine 360/650 motor was to be out at the end of october. I love the way this truck pulls. The 6 speed is sweet. manual, auto whichever you want. Plus the engine braking feature is nice when towing. Gotta love the turbo whistle as well!!
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joez
1/2 ton status
89GMCSuburban said:
You think for a minute that dodge is trying to dump the contract for the motor that LITERALLY saved their company? Dodge has been continuously fighting to extend the contract, they do not want to let that motor go. There is talk of them going to an MBE motor, and its a simple internet rumor. In '07 they will be running a 6.7L I-6 Cummins, the replacement for the current 5.9 ISB.
Ford owning cummins, since sled dog got that ill only touch on a couple things you said about that. Ford started using the 6.9 IDI in '83, made by Navistar. Dodge started with the cummins in '89. They have been running international motors from the start and didnt have to "look somewhere else" to find their motors. Ford wont be getting rid of them any time soon, or so ive been told. Ford doesnt, and never has needed a badge on the side of their truck that says "cummins" just to sell their trucks, which dodge did for quite a long time.
Anything from International known as crap? Hmm, last i checked the DT466 was one of the best meduim duty motor arround. I have not heard of any problems with the VT365 either, the only problems with the 6.0 that ive read about were caused by Fords inability to program a computer, the international version with international programming and the newer ford 6.0's has been good motors. I know plenty of people with late '04-'06 6.0's that have not had a single problem, the only people that i know with problems had '03-04.5 motors, and they did have alot of problems.
As for GM going to a SFA in their light duty trucks, i highly doubt it as they dont need it. The IFS is strong enough for pretty much anything that you would need a 3/4 or 1 ton truck for. If you need a SFA, the K4500 and K5500 have a solid axle from the factory, a beef Dana 70.
There is a rumor that Ford let a development contract to FEV for the next gen PwrSmoker.mikey_d05 said:
Word I get is that Ford isn't too happy with IH. Above engine could be their own.mikey_d05 said:Great...two turbo's to pack with soot and twice the bill when the impellers stop spinning...I sure hope Ford/International/Navistar gets it right this time.
joez said:
I know of 2 '05's that are in as bad of shape as our '04 (I don't honestly know if ours is an early or late '04).
Needless to say, whoever is responsible for the motors screwed up bigtime. Our truck is going to have to be sold before the warranty runs out. A turbo every 10,000 miles is not an acceptable maintenance schedule. Not to mention the transmission fiasco and the numerous other parts and sensors that it's already been through.
As for the IFS debate, 3/4 and 1 ton IFS setups are probably heavy duty enough to handle hauling, boat ramps, and the like, but reliability and durability are still serious issues. The IFS in my '93 sucks, the IFS in our former '94 sucked, the IFS in our '00 sucked. Seals, joints, alignment, way too many parts to keep up with...constant issues that never go away. Not to mention the nightmare of autolocking hubs, CAD's, and electronically shifted t-cases (although most new trucks don't have manual t-cases anyways). For heavy duty use and simplicity's sake, I don't see IFS being anywhere near as well suited for the application as a solid axle.
