I went out the Oceano dunes today, and on the way home I pulled out a stuck mini van. Had to crawl under the vehicle to hook the tow starp to the rear axle. I have pulled out other vehicles and some time when I look underneth, the only thing I see to hook up to is a sway bar or something flimsy. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/screwy.gif What do people up north when it snows and they crash into a ditches?