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Fiberglass - thread repair - sand pool filter tank

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So changing the sand in my pool filter turned into an exercise in fiberglass repair. With that part complete, today I expected to have the while mess back together. The threads on the tank had another idea. The threads were cleaned out w/ a Dremel and a small death wheel. At this point the threads are stripped. Aside from laying down a light coat of gel coat and trying to cut the threads by hand, does anyone have a long shot idea?

My amazon cart is already stocked with a new one.... change my mind?

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So changing the sand in my pool filter turned into an exercise in fiberglass repair. With that part complete, today I expected to have the while mess back together. The threads on the tank had another idea. The threads were cleaned out w/ a Dremel and a small death wheel. At this point the threads are stripped. Aside from laying down a light coat of gel coat and trying to cut the threads by hand, does anyone have a long shot idea?

My amazon cart is already stocked with a new one.... change my mind?

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Depends how much the replacement is.
I used to fix everything.
Now I weigh the options because my time is also worth money now
 
How much pressure?
Not much to lose by trying silicone etc, +/- small screw or two?
 
Are the male threads totally shot? Maybe you could use 2 or 3 toggle latches to hold it in place? Or you could epoxy an extension pipe to the tank with new female threads and use a coupler to extent the smaller pipe.
 
Or drill 2 holes on the tank and the flange portion of the pump and use studs and wing nut. Or a ratchet strap around It vertically
 
A better question is, why were you using a death wheel on plastic? When you started to see it tearing up the plastic you should have stopped and tried a different method. Maybe something like a stiff bristle brush with vinegar, assuming that’s mineral buildup I see. I’d replace it now. The friction from all those plastic burrs will make it nearly impossible to clean up correctly or even screw on.
 
only thing i would consider would be wetbedding the assembly together with a high density, poly resin mix and walk away...
 
only thing i would consider would be wetbedding the assembly together with a high density, poly resin mix and walk away...
What he could try is to reform the threaded surfaces. First clean up all the biggest burrs on both threads with a fine grit sandpaper by hand. Then coat one of the surfaces with wax, Vaseline or a mould release agent. Then apply the resin or maybe even a 2 part epoxy to the other and thread them together before they cure. Don’t know how well it’s work, just tossing an idea out there.
 
guess that needs to be opened again ;)

sure.. you could PVA the plastic thread side in hopes of taking it apart again after cured.. but i wouldn't try till I needed to..... i'd use high density, basically a heavy cabosil, to about a ketchup consistency.. PVA, let dry, the male side... goop it up and thread together...
 
How old is the filter? We just replaced ours last year and it was sleeping through the fiberglass.
If you don’t replace, you’ll need something that can take ~10-20psi. I think I’d try and screw it back down like it is and hope the o-ring holds up. You can turn the pump speed down if you have a variable speed model and that might help prevent it from leaking.
The more I read, the whole needing to change the sand looks like it’s bunk. The sand starts out thousands of years old and so I’m not sure how 5 more years makes it wear out in these things. You can deep clean them rather than replacing the sand pumping water through it until it’s saturated and overflowing.
 
How old is the filter? We just replaced ours last year and it was sleeping through the fiberglass.
If you don’t replace, you’ll need something that can take ~10-20psi. I think I’d try and screw it back down like it is and hope the o-ring holds up. You can turn the pump speed down if you have a variable speed model and that might help prevent it from leaking.
The more I read, the whole needing to change the sand looks like it’s bunk. The sand starts out thousands of years old and so I’m not sure how 5 more years makes it wear out in these things. You can deep clean them rather than replacing the sand pumping water through it until it’s saturated and overflowing.
Normally sand filters you back flush, you don't change.
That's the whole point.
:confused:
 
Normally sand filters you back flush, you don't change.
That's the whole point.
:confused:
Yea, some manufacturers say your supposed to change the sand every X years because it “wears out”. Doesn’t make sense except that they also offer to sell you the replacement sand.
 
Yea, some manufacturers say your supposed to change the sand every X years because it “wears out”. Doesn’t make sense except that they also offer to sell you the replacement sand.
Maybe the sand breaks down into finer pieces and clogs things. After all, sand is just broken down rock. Just guessing
 
Maybe the sand breaks down into finer pieces and clogs things. After all, sand is just broken down rock. Just guessing
It’s possible. But one trick to improving the filtering is to add some of that DE/sand thats really fine.
 
I like the idea of sinking 6-8 holes thru the flange into the valve, right thru the tank. With a collar in the tank and on top of the valve. All fasted together w/ some stainless hardware.

Questions were asked:
  • Hindsight 20-20 on cleaning the treads - a wire brush was attempted w/ no joy
  • Dremel cleanout + tiny death wheel was high effective until final assembly
  • PSI is around 10-15
  • Sand replacement worth it - based on the sand I removed --> No
  • Sand replacement needed = likely bunk, dunno prob (not a pool guy :)
  • Filter replacement cost vary, back to hindsight comment...probably should of bought a new filter last week :whistle:
 
If the filter is now trash, putting silicone on the damaged threads, screwing it down gently, then waiting a bit for it to cure might be the best way to buy you some time. If it works, you bought yourself some time. If not, you can cut the top off and make an nice strawberry planter out of it. image.jpg
 
In theory, sand could wear out. Constant wear could cause the grains to get too small. Probably only take about 10K years or so.
But then they would just wind up in the pool when they washed out.
What happens is the sand bed "channelizes". Actual term. It gets sticky and clumps together. The water then cuts channels through it and so you lose the filtering.
It can be cleaned, but its usually cheaper and easier to replace it.
Its usually caused by various oils from sunscreens and just general skin secretions.
I have helped change a few sand beds over the years. I only remember one that we figured really needed it. Darn stuff came out in clumps and did not even want to wash away.
Personally I have always use a DE filter, because I like my pool water cleaner than sand can get it.
Putting a small amount of DE in a sand filter can work, but its tricky and can clog the sand.

Baitfish2 talked me into helping him change his sand twice in less than a month. First time, he said he was sure it was channelized, so I went up and helped him dump a large amount of what looked like perfect sand.

About 2 weeks later, he called and said we put in the wrong kind of sand. The bags said it was for pool filters I thought, but OK.
We dumped another tank full of perfect looking sand and replaced it with identical sand.
Two weeks after that, he called and said he was going to get more sand. I asked why. He said his pool was still so cloudy he could not see the bottom.
I said "floc your pool". He misunderstood, and we had a pungent conversation.
Finally I got him slowed down and told him to go to the pool supply store and buy some flocculant.
What happened was, he had an algae problem. Killed the algae, but it broke down into particles too small for the sand to filter, making the water cloudy.
A flocculant is a chemical that binds to the particles and causes them to clump together into larger particles. Then they sink to the bottom and you can vacuum them up with the pool vacuum.
A week later and his pool was clear.

As for the tank, I have a couple of ideas, but they all are either too much trouble or too expensive. I'd either glue it and don't worry about it for the next few years, or buy a new one.
If you have new sand, it should be good for several years unless you have lots of sunscreen or oily swimmers. So, no need to open it. Just make sure everything inside is good to go and glue that sucker up.
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phrase of the day "Go floc your pool"

I got it to seat finally, its catching nicely on a few of the threads and more importantly NOT cross threaded. At this only Its been glued in and the adhesive has sat for 24hrs. The mess of pipes goes back together today if the humidity drops below 182 /%
 
phrase of the day "Go floc your pool"

I got it to seat finally, its catching nicely on a few of the threads and more importantly NOT cross threaded. At this only Its been glued in and the adhesive has sat for 24hrs. The mess of pipes goes back together today if the humidity drops below 182 /%
If you ever want less hassle maintaining the pool, I can send you a website I’ve been using that has a much simpler method that’s been working well for me. No pool store magic potions, floc, etc.
 
If you ever want less hassle maintaining the pool, I can send you a website I’ve been using that has a much simpler method that’s been working well for me. No pool store magic potions, floc, etc.
I'm all ears. This madness has me considering going to a saltwater setup. So I'd be curious unless your setting me up with a joke IE visit the cat website to book a backhoe rental. :D
 

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