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freon coming back!!!???

hell thats why i get my freon in Juarez, Mexico i can get the whole system checked,repaired if needed like rebuild compresser and plug up leaks and filled with freon R12 all for check this $ 40.00
god i love living in El Paso im only 5 min. from Mexico

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Maybe our Canadian friends can tell us what it's going for up there. I'm not far away and wouldn't mind driving there to get the thing recharged. It's broke 100 the past two days.

Why do people keep calling it a Bronco!!!!!
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AFAIK, freon is not available at all anymore in Canada. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I seem to recall a date being set where R12 was being banned.

Rene

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If I recall correctly, 1996 was the year that Freon, R12, and the other big chlorofluorocarbons (CFC's) became illegal to produce WORLDWIDE. Good old United Nations bulls#!t there... I've got A/C in my truck that currently doesn't work, and I won't be getting it fixed anytime soon because R12 costs too d@mn much! That just plain SUCKS!!

BTW, the aviation industry is still looking for a good, safe, economical substitute for some of these products. NOTHING degreased like the stuff we called Freon (which was actually trichlorotrifluoroethane), and the guys who service oxygen systems hate the new materials and methods needed to clean parts to get them oxygen-safe.

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There are many things---blends of other refrigerants, that act like R-12. You need to watch out for the high %of R22 as it will eat most any rubber--hoses--o-rings, etc. You need to watch out for the isobutane blends also. That hazmat charge is for a purpose--IT IS VERY FLAMABLE!! Makes an air conditioner with a leak into a bomb!! There are allot of different coolants that are very good and not very expensive comming out. One thing to remember for the older vehicles--New Hoses are a Must! Check the R-22 levels, and find the lowest you can. Just a few thoughts to share with you. Been in the business a long time!

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To my knowledge, R-12 is still being produced in about 90% of the world where they have the capability. The USA is the only country who really shut it down. Canada may have--like to hear from of our friends up there about it. If it has it was only due to US pressure. That is what kind of supports the DuPont Theory!!

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Huh... Guess that kinda pokes holes in the worldwide ban on CFC's. I remember when that "ban" started, because I was the HAZMAT coordinator for my squadron, and the first time I ordered Freon after the ban, the Station HAZMAT people gave me the big runaround about "They don't make this stuff anymore, we gotta ration it out!"

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I'm pretty sure it is not available in Canada anymore. The last vehicle I had with AC I got it serviced at the last possible moment. I was told it will no longer be available, and that if my system needed recharging in the future I'd have to convert to the new 134 crap...

That was in the spring of 96.

Rene

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Guess what..... today at the local swap meet, I bought a 12oz, can of freon with can tap for $2.00 HEHE
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A couple years back I was scrounging through a bunch of junk that the police department had gathered during a meth lab raid - there were 4 30lb cans in the pile. Luckily I had an empty at home, and was able to connive the Captain into looking the other way while I equalized my empty with one of the "evidence" containers. 15 free pounds, courtesy of our friendly neighborhood drug dealers. Not a bad haul - even though I did have to fork over enough to top off his Winnebago.

I'm so poor I can't even pay attention
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Its like crack!
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Rene

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Nahh - Crack's easier to get, and cheaper
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Dont need no stinking R-12. Got free A/C. Its called Windows and a gas pedal. You adjust the air flow with the skinny pedal.
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I dont know about you all. But even with my fan motor on high, it would hardly ever cool right due to the BIG ASS interior space of the Blazer. Well, part of that is cause I aint got no floor board insulation.
But I have a bud that does home A/C units and gives me freon. I dont know how he gets away with it, I dont ask and he dont tell. Sounds like a paper work deal.

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guess i am lucky when it comes to r-12. my I guess you would call him step uncle. Owns a business called airborne heating and cooling. He stocked up on a little over 400 lbs of it before it was baned and he still has it. whenever I need some there is no shortage. He gets $50 a pound for working on old refrigerators and other stuff. Free is the right price.

"IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN STUCK.....YOU'VE NEVER BEEN WHEELIN"!!!
 
There is a hasmat fee on bateries too are you afraifd to have one in your car.

Despite millions of passanger miles in alustralia there are zero doucmented accidents with isobutane propane mix.

You know how many motorhomes and campers run around with propane tanks and how about propane conversions on trucks.

The only doucmented explosion was a plumnbing van with a leaky acetyline canister and only the hydrocarbon haters are dishonest enough to consider that even related.

Even coke cola went to hydrocarbon refigerant.

R134 is a testicular carcinogen but mainly it does not cool. All the other stuf sucks by hydrocarbons really work.
 
I'd hate to be booed off board, but I think, R134A is suposed to be only 1 deg. F. hotter.
I've also driven ALOT of new stuff that will chill you bones with R-134A.
I don't know about how the conversion sys works. I haven't been down that road.

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Youknow how newer cvars use that air recirculating from the in cab air to make cold air even colder? Imagine if r12 was still around enough to be used in setups like that. Now they have dual zone cooling and [censored] like that. They can do some cool stuff with mediocre refrigerant imagine if they used the cold stuff.
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I'm a dislectic agnostic. I believe in a higher being, his name is DOG.
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My company truck is a 93 GMC. It still has R12 and the recirculation. You turn those to on and you Freeze your arse off.....Dan
 
The systems designed for 134a just use a bigger compressor and sometimes a bigger condensor and operate at a little bit higher pressure. Anything can be used as refrigerant with the right design. Some are just more efficient than others. You could make a system work on water if you designed it right...

There is a lot of underlying junk involved with A/C and I wish I understood what the government is trying to do. 134 will burn and is poison, but it's mandated for all new cars. Why? We have dozens of R-12 replacements that are EPA approved. Why don't local A/C shops sell them? If shop A offers to retrofit you for $300-$800 and shop B will vacuum you and charge you up with a new blend for $80, where will your business go?

And if R-12 is so harmful, why can we still buy it? I mean, where does everyone think that it's going? Even if your car has no leaks and the R-12 is recovered before the car becomes scrap metal, eventually all of the R-12 in the U.S. will end up leaking into the atmosphere. If this was not true, there would never be a shortage and the price would not continually go up because we would actually be getting a surplus as more and more R-12 cars hit the junkyard making more and more freon available.

What a deal. I can pay a shop to take my valuable R-12 from me ("recover"), then pay them to work on the system and finally pay them $50/lb.(x2.5lbs=$150) for more of the same substance that will only stay in the vehicle for 1-3 years. Whatever happened to grandfather clauses? This was not my design, it's the way GM made my vehicle, why is it now impossible to maintain it?

What will we do if the EPA ever bans gasoline and we all have to pay for propane conversions?

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