Thanks,,
I thought about the freezer, but it's about 8 degrees outside now,,
I've tried an old throw-out bearing as a driver, and a 2x4 with a 2" hole drilled in it.
I'm now going to check the seal closer. It's a napa and it has a gasket type ring around middle of the seal,,I've never seen one with this before,,
sk-19277.
This was the most expensive seal I've ever bought,,$28.49....